англ. название записи: Istagosthi - Free Will of a Soul - 2023-09-09 - Sri Prem Prayojan
0:01дорожка перевода · текст английскийThe soul is action. And everything is done by the Venus. And everything is done by the Venus. But my question is, when we act as a soul, when we act as a spiritual practice, when we act as a spiritual practice, when we act as a spiritual practice, when we act as a spiritual practice.
0:45Practice? Is the soul acting at this time or not? First of all, you should know that Yiva has a character. That means agency. He is an agent. He acts.
1:10The qualities of the soul are Gyatrita, he's a knower, he can know.
1:20Gatrita, he's an agent, he can initiate activity.
1:26And boktrita, he can experience and enjoy.
1:33So this is very important, because in other darshanas, in other philosophical schools, they say, for example, in nyai, in logic, they say that to the consciousness and the activity and so on, these are qualities only when the soul is in contact with matter, then he becomes conscious and active, but then when he is liberated, then he becomes inert.
2:00So it doesn't have Gya Trita and Kartritu and so on
2:03It's very important to understand, because other darshan, other philosophic schools, they affirm it back. They say that only at the moment when the soul is connected with the material energy, it is filled with the material energy, it is filled with the character, with the ability to achieve, with the ability to act. But when the soul becomes free, it becomes inert, it is лишed of all these qualities.
2:23In Mayavad-gita philosophy, the soul is a gyana-matra, only consciousness, so it has no kartriptor, no agency.
2:40So, gyana-matra. So, it's necessary to understand that the soul has gyana-triptor, kartriptor, and botriptor.
3:01And this is stated directly in the Vedanta Sutra.
3:07And karta shastratat means that the jiva is a karta, he is a dua because of the meaning of the scripture.
3:17du,又整 Meine Lilly.
3:22Scripture says.
3:26Satya Amvada, dharana, tell the truth, perform your duties.
3:38Shake up, get up, and try to attain the supreme goal of your life.
3:53So, the scriptures, they have statements in the imperative, you must do this.
4:02So, if the soul is not a karta, a dua, then to whom are these injunctions pointed to? Who are they intended to address?
4:26If the karta, the dua, is of the material energy, then the vedas are talking to maya, the material energy.
4:42So, in the Bhagavad-gita, there is a verse, which is often misunderstood.
4:47дорожка перевода · текст английскийIn Bhagavad-gita, there is a verse, which is often misunderstood.
4:59The conditioned soul, bewildered by Ahankara, by false ego, thinks himself to be the doer of activities, which are actually carried out by Prakriti, the three modes of nature, Saturata, Santhamas.
5:28So, if you understand this verse superficially, then you'll think, oh, the gunas are doing everything, and only a person with ego thinks, kartaham, I am the doer.
5:46So he does not, this verse does not say that the atma is completely not the doer. He says the atma is not the doer of the karmas, the fruitive activities, which are carried out by the three goodness.
6:13дорожка перевода · текст английскийKirtan, kira, snapshots, kirtan, kirtan, ligu, pri, krata, kirtan, gu.
6:26It doesn't say that the Jiva cannot do anything, it said that karma is performed by the gunas, he is not the dora of those things.
6:41parayitunaj. Ironically, this verse that everyone, many people, they interpret to me that the Jiva is not the Duas at all, actually says that the Jiva is the Duas, because it says karta aham, biti manya te, he considers himself the Duas of the activities of karma performed by the Gunas. So to consider himself manya te, that's also an action. He is considering himself, so that's also an action.
7:10So he is the door, but he is not the door of those activities.
7:43So, if the jiva is not the duo of karana, that means the physical activities of the body and the senses which are aimed at attaining some worldly results, fruit of activity. If it is not the duo of those activities, then the question is what is he actually doing?
8:15So, everyone in the world practically is just engaged in doing fruitive activity, reward-seeking activities, they're acting in out of self-interest to get something for themselves. Sometimes it's disguised as the philanthropy activities, altruistic activities, but really everyone is acting out of self-interest in And when I say self-interest, that means ahankar, the material ego, the interest of the material ego.
9:07So, Sikrišna has explained exactly the way in which the Atma is Kartta.
9:18Where? In Bhagavad-gita. Yes, but where? No, that's Paramatma. It's a better factor, I just want to say it. Gurudev, can you say the first word?
9:37Mabhaivancu Jivaloke, Jiva Bhuta Sanatana, manha sastranindriyani, prakriti, stani, karshati.
9:46Now this verse of chapter 15 of Bhagavad-gita is speaking especially about the jiva, the soul.
9:57First see Krishna said, mamayivangso jiva lukke, the living entities in this world, the souls, they are my angsa, living angsa, they are my separated, the subjective portions.
10:23So every soul is one angsta, one expanded portion of God, it's amazing, mamayvangsa, jiva, bhuta, sanatana, and that angsta, that soul is eternal, without beginning, middle or end. eternally existing.
10:58That means there was never a time when the soul did not exist.
11:05Because some people, they have a mental speculation that there was God, who is some kind of impersonal light, and then a soul came out from him, and is in Maya, and when they liberated, Akhalitititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititnititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititititit Shri Krishna, we are individuals, we will always be individuals, and our constitutional position is that we are, we are servants of God. We were never God and we can never become God, we are all servants of God.
12:16At least, we should have enough humility to admit this fact.
12:23So then, Sikrisa said, Manasasasthana Ndriyani, Prakatistani Karsati, the living entity, is a Prakatistani, now situated in Prakatistani, the material energy.
12:42And Srila Prabhupada has translated, he is struggling with the six senses, which include, that means, five senses plus the mind.
12:56Now, if we examine this very closely, you'll see that here, prakristani karshati means he is attracting, he is, the soul is drawing towards himself, karshati, what? manashashastani, triyani, the mind and the five senses. So the meaning is this, that the atma is situated in the heart, heart chakra, and around the atma there are the five senses and the mind.
13:51The soul is anu, atomic, and the original forms of the mind and senses are also atomic.
14:03So just as a king can sit on a throne and he's got his six ministers sitting around him, and he's telling them what to do.
14:17So, in the same way, our senses, our power to see, our power to hear, our power to smell, and so on, the original forms, they are atomic. The atma is sitting on the throne of the heart, surrounded by these six atoms.
14:44You are thinking, well, no, my heart smell is here in my nose, this is only mamsa, this is only meat, Mead smells bad, it can smell, but it doesn't have the power to smell. It smells bad, but it cannot smell other things.
15:14So, the actual powers of perception are these atomic senses, and their power is spread by pran throughout the body. So the sense of smell through the nadi, the pranic system comes to the nose like this, and so we feel as if we are very big, in other words, the soul is small, but we feel as if we are this body because the sensory powers are spread out through the body by pran.
16:08So the way the soul is experienceable is really quite amazing. analogous to virtual reality. It is constructed from these sensory impressions. But the reality is not the way that we experience it in our lower state of animistic consciousness, bodily consciousness.
16:53Now, just as a magnet can attract the iron powder, so the Atma by his will, by his intentionality, by his desire, he can draw the atoms of the senses towards himself.
17:21And then, he is trying to experience the world through those senses.
17:32But the mind is full of impressions of past karma.
17:39So when he draws the mind towards himself, he identifies with it.
17:48And then the impressions of past activities are arising in the mind and he's thinking, this is my thought, this is my idea. And then the senses are activated through the mind and so all the activities in the world are coming from the mind and senses which are made of prakriti. I understand?
18:26So Vedanta Sutra said, the soul is karta is a dua in two ways, like a carpenter.
18:39A carpenter acts directly by taking a tool in his hand. Like a chisel, but then he's cutting the wood, but he's not personally cutting the wood, the chisel is cutting the wood, but he's holding on to the chisel.
19:04So his will is manifested directly through himself holding the tool and indirectly through the action of the tool.
19:19So, the soul's activity is expressed directly by drawing a senses towards himself.
19:34And it's expressed indirectly through when he draws a senses towards himself, but then he identifies with the mind and senses, and then they're acting according to karma.
19:54So even though the material energy, his samskaras are initiating all the activities, they would not have the power to initiate activity unless he had not delegated that power to them by drawing them towards himself and then identifying with them.
20:30So this is why Sakshetva is important, because when the mind becomes very steady and sattvic, then the soul gets gyan, knowledge of vivek, discrimination between matter and spirit.
20:46yana, ili, vivek, способность различать между materией и духом.
20:50Sattva, sanjaya, teit, jana, from the mode of goodness comes knowledge.
20:56At sattva guna, человек, preobletаясь знания.
20:59So in that state, he can see, oh, I am the conscious being, I am ketrgya, the knower of the field, but this mind and senses, that's the field. Like a person standing in a field, he knows, this is me, and here is the field. So now take this, the soul is the kshetra-gya, the knower of the field, and what he was thinking was himself previously, his mind and senses, he says, no, this is the field around me.
21:28kshetragya.
21:36In Sattugun the force of passion has become very weak.
21:49But still some remnants, some impressions are there.
21:56So in Sathagun, when a desire for sense gratification appears in the mind, the person losing Sakshittara, witnesshood, he can see, he watches his own mind moving, and this desire appearing, that's not me, I'm not going to delegate my will to that desire, and empower that desire, and that means I will not act on it.
22:47bhaja, Vrindavan, Srimadłam
22:52describes how a person who has developed the saakshittwa, the power of witnesshood and discrimination, refuses to follow the instigation of his past impressions.
23:18Which verse is that?
23:43that many rivers flowing to the ocean but the ocean always stays within its boundary.
23:53So in the same way, that person, into whose mind many desires are coming, but he does not act on those desires, only that person attains peace, not the person who follows every desire that comes into his mind.
24:25So, really, the person who is in ignorance and identifying with their mind, they have delegated their choices to the material energy.
24:42And all their activities are not being done by the soul, they're being done by purity.
24:52But when knowledge comes, now a person can realize I am the soul, and they can now really manifest, they always have free will, but it was latent, but now it can be manifest, I should do this, I should not do that.
25:20I will, the person surrenders to God, and surrender begins with, I will do, I will accept everything which is favorable for devotion, and I will reject all the things which are unfavorable.
25:43so, there is a very important verse in the Gita, also chapter 5, because all the verses are important, but important to this subject.
25:58дорожка перевода · текст английскийSo try to know this verse and try to deeply realize it.
lukasya, sridhati, Prabhu, nakarma, phala, samyogam, vi sababastu, pravartatei, the meaning is this, nakartritvam, the living entity does not initiate activities, kartritvam, nakartritvam, nakarmani, nakartritvam, nakarmani, nakartritvam, nakarmani, nakartritvam, nakarmani,
26:44He is not the agent who initiates the worldly activities, but he is also not the performer of the activities.
26:58Lokasya sriduti Prabhu. Here Prabhu means, there are two meanings, but you have to look at them one by one. The first meaning of Prabhu is the jiva.
27:15Because the previous verse Krishna has said that the living entity lives like a king in the city of nine gates, so the body is like a city and it has nine gates to eyes, to nostrils, mouth, ears, genital evacuation, these are the nine gates of the city of the body and the soul, The soul is like a king sitting there, in that city.
27:56So then in the next verse, So the meaning of Prabhu, one meaning related to the previous verses, the soul does not initiate the activities or perform activities.
28:10Prabhu, это jiva, которая не начинает и не совершает деятельность.
28:14Nakarama-fala-sam-yogam, and he is not the one who unites himself with the fruit of the activity.
28:21дорожка перевода · текст английскийNakarama-fala-sam-yogam, and he is not the one who unites himself with the fruit of the activity.
28:27Then who's doing all these things? Subhava-stu, pravartate, they are all set into motion by swabhav.
28:36Subhava-stu, pravartate, все это происходит благодаря swabhavi, природе.
28:40So what does Svabhava mean? Svabhava means the samskara's impressions in your jitta. In your deepest subconscious mind there are many impressions of past activities and these are coming into the conscious mind and they are initiating the activity.
29:08And then he could say it, but my mind is also creating the fruit of the activity, maybe it's a fruit I'll get so much wealth or perhaps I will be destroyed in some incidents, how could my own mind be the creator of the fruit?
29:31дорожка перевода · текст английскийkoala, ab oxhofacidadach, k ancestry. The truth wisdom mura, jaja?
29:38Because often the fruit comes to us through other people. If someone comes in the street and slap your face, then how was that created by your mind? It was his mind who inspired him to slap your face of it.
30:10If a whirlwind comes and picks you up and throws you off a mountain, then how is this done by your mind?
30:16дорожка перевода · текст английскийIf a whirlwind comes and picks you up and throws you off a mountain, then how is this done by your mind?
30:21Thank you.
30:25So the element which makes up your chitta, your subconscious mind,
30:30element, который влияет на нашу читу, на наше подсознание, is actually Mahatattva.
30:36So the Mahatattva is the first element in the universe.
30:40Mahatattva – это самый первый материальный элемент, который проявляется.
30:43And the portion of that Mahatattva, which is in your subtle body, we call that chitta.
30:50It's the same element.
30:58So the samskaras of a person's karma are both in their chitta and also in the universe. And that's how there's a coordination system that coordinates everyone's karma because the samskaras are in the mahatattva, in the subtle body and in the universe.
31:35дорожка перевода · текст английскийThis is how the material energy manages the logistics of orchestrating everyone getting their karma, ongoingly, simultaneously.
31:51So, see, Krishna says, for Babas to provide today, the whole system of initiating activities, performing activities and getting the result of activities comes from Swabhava, that means, Samskara's impressions in the Mahatattva, whether it's the totality of Mahatattva or the individual portions of Mahatattva in the living beings.
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32:45You can take the word Prabhu to mean Prabhu Paramatma. So in the first interpretation it was taken to mean the soul. The soul is not initiating activities, doing activities and creating, uniting by his own power with the result of activity.
33:17So all of these points are extremely important to understand. Otherwise, this is basically a very profound psychology. A person who doesn't understand this is wandering around the world basically like an animal. And a person who understands this is actually awake to his spiritual constitution.
33:54So we are not just discussing some irrelevant philosophical concepts, which are optional, this is a philosophical point out there somewhere, whether we know it or we don't know it doesn't really matter.
34:17hirusamana.
34:19Either one knows this, realizes it, he is at every moment experiencing it. Otherwise, one is in the animalistic consciousness.
34:41Now, just as this first meaning that we have discussed is essential, the second meaning is also so essential. And that is that the word Prabhu here means God. And that is that the word Prabhu here means God. So now if you take the word Prabhu to me in the paramatma, then it means that naka-tik-tomna-karamani, that God does not initiate the activities of everyone.
35:27So one said, well, what is this? I understand, I am not the dual, that means Gandhi must be the dual. No, God is also not the dual.
35:40God is not initiating the activities, he is not performing the activities, and he is not bringing the living entity together with the fruit.
35:54Then if I am not doing it, and God is also not doing it, then who is doing it?
36:02So God himself is saying, Svabhava is to pravata te. It is Svabhava, the impressions in the Mahatattva.
36:14дорожка перевода · текст английскийOf course, there is a sense in which God is the doing, because God is called Adhikarta, the original doing.
36:29Or, in the Greek philosophy, we will say, God is the prime mover.
36:38So, there can be no activity at all without God.
36:46But, we have to understand the way in which God is doing, and also the way in which He is not doing.
36:51надо правильным образом понять, с какой стороны Господь является первым двигателем, а с какой не является.
So Sikh Krishna said, mayadhyakshena prakriti suyutei saatsaraatsaram, under my supervision, the prakriti, the mature energy, is producing all moving and non-moving living entities.
37:17Shriya Prabhupada, he uses in English word supervision.
37:24It's very interesting. Do you have this word in Russian supervisor?
37:29Yeah, supervisor. It's like if you have one office and then the person who's telling you what to do is the supervisor.
37:41so everything is going under his supervision. But this verse means that the Supreme Lord, that here Vishnu, Mahavishnu, he glances towards Prakriti and it activates Prakriti. Then his glance activates all the sanskars to manifest the activities. So it's literally because the The impressions, the swabav of Prakritis activated by the glance of God, therefore it is going on under God's supervision. God has supervision. He looks and makes everything happen. So it's not just supervising like a manager in an office, it's literally his supervision.
38:55So the supervision, that means the supernatural vision of God is responsible for activating prakriti, but he's not personally responsible for the individual activities which are initiated within that system.
39:28So the person who is in Maya, if they have some idea, a theistic idea, they always try to drag God down and involve him in their worldly agendas.
39:48Because they have not understood that the Atma is not the duo of these things. He is transcendental. And God is also not the duo, He is also transcendental.
40:07soul and God should be united in a relationship which is beyond and transcendental to this worldly plan.
40:25So this is a brief summary of the subject of the ka-trittwa, who is karta, and the way in which we are karta, and the way in which we are not karta, the way in which God is karta and the way in which God is not karta.
40:55Anyone who does not understand this topic clearly is in a state of utter confusion all the time. Their life is just one, just a mass of confusion.
41:17So try to rise above this confusion by the hearing process, hearing from shikuru, and then chanting and remembering, so everything becomes clear.
41:38дорожка перевода · текст английскийGobe, pray, man, undi!
41:39Gobe, pray, man, undi!
