англ. название записи: Istagosthi - 2022-07-16 - Sri Prem Prayojan
0:39radhaya.
0:40дорожка перевода · текст английскийK Nutzerkini nama-
0:43Mahaeradha, Mahaerani, Mahaeradha.
0:46И он объяснял, то есть, ну, он давал харикатку по радхаятрию. И он, по сути, он как бы цитировал там лекции Гру Дева, которые он давал, ну, много лет назад. И там был такой момент, что он объяснял, что когда было вот это вот затмение на Курукшетре,
1:14дорожка перевода · текст английскийAlistar, Vrindavan, Kaurukhshetri, all of everyone gathered here and also sent to your country.
1:29So the question of the Ashakan Prabhu is that recently when there was time of Radka Eletra, Mahavir Maharaj from Brazil came and he gave HaRightkatha and he was quoting HaRightkatha of Shilaparam Gurudev and he was saying Kurukshetra, when there was an eclipse, and everyone got together there.
2:18дорожка перевода · текст английскийAccatala, he always provided some messages to Raja Vasya, and at this time he was invited to Raja Vasya.
2:28He was saying, that Raja Prama Rudev had said that Krishna didn't sign any invitation to Nanda Maharadya and Raja Vasya to come to Gurkshetra because he assumed that automatically they would know and they would come. but we heard from you that from Shriva Gurudev also that actually Krishna, when he was in Varaka, he would send messages to Nandamharaj and to Vrjavasis and that he actually invited them.
2:57Why did he say that Nandamharaj did not receive any message?
3:03дорожка перевода · текст английскийBecause if he did not know that Nandamharaj received a message, then no one would go out of their way to say why did he receive a message. I just, did he say it because you told him that he received the message? No, it's just, I, I sent to this, this. No, I'm saying what? Did Mahavir Maharaj say? Nandamrach did not receive any message from Krishna. No, he didn't say like this exactly. But I just heard her say that Mahavir Maharaj said that Krishna, that Nandamrach received no message. No. I literally just heard it from her lips.
3:42right now.
3:43Ta-ra!
3:43Ta-ra!
3:47дорожка перевода · текст английскийThere are three cameras.
3:50You can watch the instant replay. Okay, so again.
3:55дорожка перевода · текст английскийHe said that he didn't talk, he didn't invite Nanda Maharaj because Krishna knew that somehow
4:08hissa Weevil, from his heart, he will know & he will come, for sure.
4:15дорожка перевода · текст английскийHe asked him if we have a message to ask, and he give me the whole lecture with words resolver.
4:26But this was your answer because of your question.
4:28дорожка перевода · текст английскийSo, it was your question, and it was your question. So, it was your question. So, it was your question. So, it was your question. And the second point is that when all of all of all of all of all of all of Kurukshetra came into Kurukshetra, and there was this meeting, when Krishna was sitting on the throne, all in His greatness.
4:48дорожка перевода · текст английскийAnd by the way, first came Devaki, then came Mama Nishoda, and there was such a heartbreaking meeting. And by the way, there were Gopi.
4:57And so then another point was that when Krishna was sitting there on the throne of the Kurukshatra in all his, you know, Aishwarya and all the weapons and first Devaki was there, then other associates, Nanda, Yishoda and then gopis were there, a little bit aside And then mama Yishoda said that look, Krishna, gopi is waiting for you, and they had a meeting, but that was not an intimate meeting, just a public meeting.
5:39дорожка перевода · текст английскийAnd we also heard, that it wasn't like this, that actually the meeting was in the special place organized by Udova in a special tent, so under different circumstances.
6:12When I heard this from Mahavir Maharaja, I asked him, why does he explain it like this?
6:18дорожка перевода · текст английскийWhen I heard this from Mahavir Maharaja, I asked him why does he explain it like this?
6:29And he told me that he doesn't invent anything, that actually he took it directly from Shilaparan Gurudev, from his lecture, and he actually showed me this lecture, the transcript of the lecture, and it was written, and I found these poems. So how can we reconcile this? First of all, one must hear from the lips of Gurudev, for a long time.
7:06дорожка перевода · текст английскийIn the first time, it is necessary to listen to Gurudeva for a long time for a long time, Harikotku.
7:12You cannot take one thing that was said on one day and take this as everything.
7:18дорожка перевода · текст английскийYou cannot just hear something once and take this example and take this example and extrapolate to the fact that it is always always.
7:25Who was Marvin before me?
7:32I don't even remember. He was even there when? No, he was in Gurudev since 2007. So, three years, for a few years he was, so, so, the thing is that you cannot just take the words of the Gurudev only what he said on one day, also, he's coming to a point to express some, to share some very profound thoughts.
8:14so he is feeling very high baths.
8:22So many of the small, small, small details, the fine details he is not concerned with that.
8:35I had the fortune to be with Gurudev for many years.
8:42дорожка перевода · текст английскийHe would tell me so many things personally. He would tell me so many things personally. Sometimes I would say, oh, in this book it says this thing. And Gurudev would respond and say, everything is not there in that book.
9:02Гурудев улыбался, когда говорил, ну, не все написано в этой книге.
9:06Once he said to me, Gurudev said to me, in the past I have explained some things, and if I were to explain it again today, I would explain it in a different way.
9:17дорожка перевода · текст английскийAnd one time Gurudev said to me, in the past I have explained it again today, I would explain it in a different way.
9:26These are not things that Gurudev would tell in a class, if someone is very close, So we have to take the essence.
9:46Srila Gurudev used to give many classes.
9:52And then they were transcribed.
9:55And then also, some devotees were very close to him, they had the responsibility to edit also.
10:04Кредитанс, че лила, Бхаджан, прок об сент Смитск регел глава 4
10:09Because when pure devotee is very high bath, then he made make something, some details
10:16Cuz when pure devotee испытывает, they rank us something, some details
10:24Cuz when
10:34When it's put on paper. These are practical things.
10:51Chaitanya Mahaprabhu and I, we had this service also, during this, and then we used to come back to Gurudev and show him, we have adjusted in this way and this way, and yes, yes, okay, now publish it.
11:04Шемарани, Диди, у мина, боло тако е служени, мы редактировали транскрипте, затем мы возвращали з Гурудеву, показали,
11:10и ему, показали, что мы поправили, и Гурудев, говорю, да, вот это хорошо, публикуйте.
11:15So when Gurudev said, oh, somehow, Nandamaraj knew, so he went there, that means, I'm not talking about any details of that. You understand? When he said somehow he knew, what he means to say is, I'm coming to the points and I'm not going into any of those details. It's not that he, it's not in contradiction to what I have said.
11:48How this pastime of the meeting of Kurukshetra is given at Kurukshetra is in a very, like many of the pastimes in Srimad Bhagavatam, in very much a sutra form.
12:04Korma sutra. So the words that Devaki tells to, that Kunti Devi says to Vasudeva Maharaj, that Devaki and Rohini say to Mother Yesodha, and then what Krishna says to the gopis and gopis say to Krishna, they come in the verses one after another, but there's very little narrative in between telling you how it moves from scene to scene. It's not there.
12:47So then it's left to Vaishnava according to his bhava and realization to make it make sense to the audience by weaving the dialogue together.
13:10So what Gurudevai said, on one day you should take the bath, but some of the small details, this is why actually, you know, because the junior devotee should not speculate anything, but in the junior stage they don't know how to take the essence and they'll take something more general or external and make that
13:35дорожка перевода · текст английскийinto the essence. For example, sometimes Gurudev would tell Dhamadharlila, but if you look
14:06look in his book on Dhamadharasthaka, then the whole chapter on Dhamadharalila from Jiva Goswami's Gopal Champu is given there, and it has many, many details that Gurudev may not tell if he is just explaining Dhamadharalila during Karthik,
14:36дорожка перевода · текст английскийBut, when Gurudev was young, he told that one day he came to his Gurudev, and said, oh, I've read something wonderful, and Srila Bhakti Prakan Keshama said, yes, read, and then Srila Gurudev began to read line by line to all the details of the Dhammedra Lila from Gopal Champu of Srila Jiva Goswami.
15:13And what was Srila Paramgurudev's reaction? Have you read the biography? No, why not? When Paramgurudev heard our Gurudev reading, his own disciple reading to him this from Gopaljambu, Paramgurudev started to tremble, tears were coming from his eyes and loudly he was crying.
15:53So, you could imagine how emotional you would become if you would hear the description of Kurukshetra Lila from Gopalchampu.
16:13So, someone can say, oh, no, no, no, the Krishna has not sent any messenger to Vraja.
16:18Кто-то может сказать, нет, нет, Krishna никаких посланников в Vraja не отправлял.
16:22Only because they have not read Shastra. They read some, but not all the commentaries.
16:32In Gopal Champ, what you have heard from me, is exactly what is written in Gopal Champ.
16:43Actually, dozens of horses were going backwards and forwards from Dvorka to Vrāja every day, delivering messages and bringing messages back.
17:03So first one messenger came beating drums, just only saying, Krishna will be in Kurukshetra.
17:13Kurukshetri. Then another message came with a letter for Nanda Maharaj.
17:20And the inner meaning of that is that those who don't have vishwas, faith, in spurti moimilan, in the meeting in spurti, they should go. And those who have faith, they should stay behind, which means that the cowhood boys should stay behind and look after the cows and everyone else should go to Kurukshetri.
17:52And then Krishna sent also a secret letter in Gupta Akshar, in the hidden code, he sent to the gopis through Garuda.
18:14дорожка перевода · текст английскийSo what Gurudeva told in a lecture, in one hour, in one day, you have heard from me telling Kurukshetra Pasangha we just told in Rome, five days, three hours in the morning, and three hours in the evening.
18:44So, according to Deish Kalam, after time, place and circumstances, the possibilities are there, so sometimes Gurudev will tell in one hour the overview, but on another occasion, it may be that more details can be.
19:08So, what you have heard from me is Srila Jiva Goswami's version.
19:16Gurudev once in Jagannath-puri, he mentioned something about the coward boys in wood at Kurukshetra.
19:29So, afterwards, I spoke to him, I said, oh, Srila Jiva Goswami, Pad, he said that Krishna basically indicated that the coward boy should stay back.
19:46And Srila Gurudev smiled and was thinking about it.
19:53I used to have very intimate conversations with Gurudev on different Sedante points and points of lila And when he was speaking also, hearing for years Editing it and discussing with him also So, afterwards, I saw that in Bhaktira Samritasindhu, there's a verse about some coward boys who were there at Kurukshetra.
20:35So, if Srila Jiva Goswami Padda said one thing, and Srila Rupa Goswami Padda said something different, then who is correct?
20:53They are both correct, because Krishna, the description of Krishna's pastimes is different in different kalpas, because when Krishna comes every day of Lord Brahma, he performs his lila, and then the next day he does it again, but it's not like a job that every day it's the same. I have to go and do that lila again So there's also variety in the lila in different kalpas So different acharyas, according to their samadhi, they're describing the lila in different times when Krishna has performed the lila So, in one day, in the Samadhiya of Jiva Goswami, he saw how all the coward boys had to stay behind him.
22:09And Srila Rupa Goswami has said that some coward boys were there.
22:16It may have been another day of Lord Brahma, or it may have been the same day, perhaps most of the coward boys stayed, but just a few went, because very high-level coward boys, who are prehnamasakas like Subal and others, actually, they will not have vishva since Purtimai Milan, because their praying goes up, it touches even to Mahabhava, just touching.
22:58So you have to be very very careful and approach senior Vaishnavas who have the power to reconcile the apparently contradictory statements of guru, sadhu and shastra.
23:12Поэтому нужно быть очень осторожным, аккуратным и нужно обращаться к старшим Вайшнавам, которые могут объединить эти противоречия между кажущиеся противоречия между гуру, Вайшнавами и саду и шастрами. Когда Гурдейв сказал, что Нандамарадж знал, что он туда, это значит, что я не перейду в деталях, это не противоположное, что я говорил.
23:49Kuruksha. Gurudev, he used to argue with his Gurudev, he said. Gurudev, he said, Gurudev, you have said, but in the shastra this is Rupa Goswami. But you have to understand, there's nothing gross, there's no anarta, there's no offense in this, because the love is
24:12дорожка перевода · текст английскийso deep, that he never thinks I know better than Gurudev. He never thinks Gurudev is wrong. Only he thinks Gurudev had said something for some special reason, and he in Samacharya has also said something for some special reason, so this is
24:43This is very fascinating. Let's discuss. And mercifully reconcile this, because I don't have the power to reconcile it.
24:51дорожка перевода · текст английскийSo on the outside... Translate.
25:10So on the outside, and some person may think, oh, it looks like he is quarreling, or there is some argument, or some challenge.
25:24But Gurudev, he is Satshisya. So this is only the exchange of love and inquiry to go deep into the subject and to inspire his Gurudev. to manifest so many secrets.
25:52So my relation with Gurudev was also like this.
25:57I used to take the pretty sandharba of Jiva Goswami and go, Gurudev, look, it's what is written here.
26:10дорожка перевода · текст английскийYou have said like this, and Jiva Goswami is saying like this. And we would discuss. Only about one month ago, someone was writing online, Pram Pryojan is very bad, I was there one day, he was arguing with Guruji.
26:28Sanyasi, actually So someone sent it to me And instead of being disturbed or upset, I was in bliss, remembering, oh yes, how beautiful it was those days
26:57дорожка перевода · текст английскийOh, if that person will tell, oh, Prem Prayojan has talked different from Gurudeva, and even he has talked things that Jiva Goswami did not say, on this past time of Kurukshetra,
27:19Then, we can say that, there was one great Vaishnava scholar in Vrindavan, his name was Bhanamali Shastri, and he translated from Sanskrit into Hindi, Gopalchampu, every line, and also with some expansion, some explanation, clarifying, because it's very deep poetry, it's not clear to an ordinary person, so he's clarified some extra points there.
28:03дорожка перевода · текст английскийAnd when he finished, then he passed away before the manuscript was printed.
28:18дорожка перевода · текст английскийSo then, after some time, some devotees in Gopinath Gaudiya Matha, they saw this manuscript, this manuscript is so amazing and beautiful, it should be published, so they'll be in Gaudiya Matha, very good edition of Jiva Goswami's Global Temple.
28:49дорожка перевода · текст английскийSo what I have told is from that manuscript also. So when they wanted to print, they brought the manuscript to Gurudev. And Gurudev read it. And Gurudev read it. And he was in such ecstasy that he wrote the introduction to that book.
29:18So, if you get two volumes, big edition of Gopaljampu, very good translation, explanation by Bhanamali Shastri, and you open, you'll see, the preface introduction is written by our Gurudev, Sri Lanka Narayana Maharaj.
29:44So even, many, even Gurudev's own disciples, were to speak of reading this, they don't even know that it exists or that Gurudev has written the introduction.
30:04Because it has not been translated.
30:08But anyway, I have studied everything and I am sharing with you.
30:15rofacha, auspis.
30:16So you should not be confused. You should think that you are very lucky to hear these things, because they are very very rare and not available everywhere.
30:30дорожка перевода · текст английскийBecause they are very rare and not available everywhere.
30:38Mark, he said, ask Pramprayojana on this topic. Yes, yes.
30:43дорожка перевода · текст английскийHe said, ask Pramprayojana.
30:47Very good.
30:50This is why I said, did he say that Krishna did not send a message? He said, he just showed me this lecture. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but you said that he said, he did not send a message. This is why I brought this point up, because this problem was not caused by him, it was caused by you.
31:22He is sincerely just trying to repeat the words of his guru.
31:30дорожка перевода · текст английскийAnd you are senior to him also, in many ways, in Diksha and other things, so you should just understand, if someone is speaking and this is their, this is as much as they know, if you have heard so much more, don't try to put them in a trap I didn't ask you publicly, I privately ask you, thank you. Very good. So, always be very careful in these discussions and go to senior workshops and try to reconcile and give respect to everyone.
32:15Siegda budite очень осторожно, аккуратно in takich momentach, in takich discursiach, yuvujatae всех.
32:52the holy name, and your daily japa meditation.
33:08So if you don't have a copy of this book, then you must take a copy at least, if not five or ten, and study it very carefully amongst your devotional groups.
33:23Kirti, morate, si, lo, prema, rasa, samamrita, ju, prema, rasa, samamrita, drema, garam, si, lo, pripahati,
33:31gopis, gugurdevi!
