англ. название записи: Sri Prem Prayojan - 2019-10-30 - Istagosthi
0:14Chaitanya Mahaprabhu came to this world to fulfill his own desire of being surrounded by Tunarika's love, all the types, of being immersed in Radharani's love.
0:35I was, I found it very bewildering, because I understood that he had come sort of to bring something to the world, rather to, like, I don't understand why he would come to this world to fulfill a desire.
1:08He said that when he heard that Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, he came, he's actually Krishna coming to fulfill his three title of greed that were not fulfilled in Vrindavan, so he was thinking before he heard that Chaitanya Mahaprabhu came to give some spiritual gift to the world, so he can understand that he would come to give the gift, but he cannot understand why he would come to fulfill.
1:37Chaitanya Mahaprabhu пришел в этот мир, именно в ракурсе исполнения его определенных внутренних желаний.
1:48First you have to understand that Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is Krishna himself.
1:53дорожка перевода · текст английскийFirst you have to understand that Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is Krishna himself.
1:56And in his Braindavan lila, then, there are three desires which he could not fulfill in Braindavan.
2:05дорожка перевода · текст английскийIn Braindavan lila, he only could not fulfill in Braindavan.
2:07So, in order to fulfill those desires, Krishna, that is, Shama Sundara becomes Gaurasundara. The dark complexion Krishna becomes the Chaitanya Mahaprabhu with the fair complexion. So, these three desires are the cause for the Gauraswarup. the form of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu.
2:44These three желания – это причина этой золотой формы, Gauraslavu.
2:49To understand that you may say, oh, how can Chaitanya Mahaprabhu come to this world for whatever reason, if Krishna did not have these three unfulfilled desires, there would be no Gaurasurup. So still the three desires are the cause of the Gaurasurup, whether or not he comes in this world.
3:28дорожка перевода · текст английскийIn the spiritual world, Krishna has no birth. He is eternally the teenager, Kishor.
3:45But, he has the bhava, I was born as the son of Maria Ishvara.
3:55And when Krishna comes to this world, all those bhavs, those pastimes, which are not present in the spiritual world, which are there in the identity of Krishna, they take on a manifest form that everyone can see.
4:10эти bhavé, например, bhavarождения, они воплощаются здесь в материальном мире во время прока трил, как происходящие события.
4:24In the same way the goddess of rup has an identity, but he has no bhav or anything. In the spiritual, it is only in his bhav, in his abhiman identity.
4:44and he, that is manifest in a tangible way when he comes in, those bhavas are manifest in a tangible way in the form of his birth in Navadu from the womb of Satchimata.
5:07So, Krishna's discovery of the nectar of Radharani's brain is an eternal lila.
5:24Just like Radha and Krishna in the spiritual world, they are eternally in love with each other.
5:36But when they have the past time of being children and growing up, then they have the past time of falling in love.
5:51So this progression is very delicious.
5:56дорожка перевода · текст английскийAnd it's a very, very delicious lila.
6:01But in the spiritual world it's only there as a memory in their identity.
6:04дорожка перевода · текст английскийBut in the spiritual world it's only there as a memory in their identity.
6:08So Radha Krishna appear again and again in the world where there is a timeline, so they can grow up and fall in love for the first time, again and again.
6:18дорожка перевода · текст английскийIn Prakat Yor, where there is time, we can see this dynamic of the growth of Ratsa, and Krishna, how they are in love and so on.
6:28So the main reason Krishna comes is to relish this Rasa of falling in love with Radhika and killing the demons and establishing Dharma, this is all secondary.
6:51to destroy atheists and establish religious principles any expansion of Vishnu can do it. So when see Krishna comes in this world, he comes, prema rasa near Jaskriti, Ashwadhala, he comes, prema rasa near Jaskriti, Ashwadhala, he comes, prema rasa near Jaskriti, Ashwadhala.
7:07to relish rasa, but incidentally, while he's here, he also establishes the dharma and destroys the demons.
7:23But really that function is done by Vishnu, the maintainer of the universe.
7:27дорожка перевода · текст английскийSo when Sri Krishna comes, Vishnu is present in him, and though it looks like Krishna is killing the demons,
7:37дорожка перевода · текст английскийVrindavan, Vrindavan, Vrindavan, kape, depicteden to Vrindavan, that tokens vítani, so it also is revolutionary, malladha.
7:43It also empieza, Krishna's discovery of what it is like to be Radhika and be in love with Krishna is very relishable, the stages of the discovery. So, in order to experience that again and again and to taste in different ways, so, Krishna is appearing as Hujate Chani-ma-punga, that's primary reason.
8:06дорожка перевода · текст английскийAnd it is very sweet for Khrushku you, how shall have a heart come, how gon happen, so that it exists again, it is true for yourself. That's the most important reason.
8:37The existence is everything. So the primary cause of everything, all of his pastimes, is himself. Nothing is separate from him. But incidentally, when see Krishna appears in Gora Surup to relish in a new way, again and again, the discovery of Radha Bhava, incidentally, he distributes the Krishna Prem to everyone.
9:07дорожка перевода · текст английскийthrough harinama, sankirtan. Now, just contemplate this point. When the general person thinks about God or religion, his idea is quite egosentic.
9:40terk.
9:47They think something like this. In the beginning, there was God, and nothing else. He was just kind of in space, doing nothing forever, with no one.
10:09Then somehow the one day he decided, let me create the world. So he made the world, and he made the human beings. It was like an experiment. But it went wrong. So everything became sinful. So now God has to somehow or other deliver everyone from these sins.
10:39And so, the goal of life is that everyone has to become free from their sins and attain salvation. And that's what God is all about. Helping the people out of the mess of sinful life. So he's kind. Okay, this is how everyone thinks. But in their idea, everything is revolving around them. Here I am, I am on the earth, all the action is going on down here, and there is like some space or something, and God is watching everything here, that's what he does.
11:38And he's punishing people for doing bad, and he's rewarding people for doing good.
11:42дорожка перевода · текст английскийAnd we pray to him to get the things that we want.
11:50And maybe we'll get salvation. So the whole, the entire theology is egocentric. The cause of everything, everything is revolving around you.
12:05So, when you hear the actual conclusion of the Vedas, our Gaudian philosophy, it's a shock, that you are not the center of everything.
12:14дорожка перевода · текст английскийWhen you listen to the philosophy of Gaudian, Vedanta, you are in shock, it turns out that I am not the center of everything.
12:19So, our philosophy is, as any reasonable person would expect, if they think about it carefully, that actually God is the center of everything, not us.
12:43He has his own personality, he has his own associates, he has his own world, and he is doing the most amazing, astonishing, wonderful pastimes beyond anyone's imagination.
13:07So all the action is already going on there in the spiritual world.
13:16And here, this is a non-event.
13:19дорожка перевода · текст английскийAnd here, this is a non-event.
13:26If there's an event, something is happening, but many people, they went to one event, when they got there, nothing happened. It was a non-event.
13:36Here, three gunas are mixing together, these three gunas are mixing together, and just like in the ocean, sometimes some bubbles come, and then the bubbles burst, so in the same way, the bubbles are coming and bursting, this is nothing, one bubble is the empire of Alexander the Great, one of them is the empire of Alexander the Great, one of them is the empire of Alexander the Great, Another bubble is the Roman Empire, another bubble is the British Empire, another bubble is the First World War, Second World War, just falling in the ocean, coming and going, leaving nothing, no trace behind, a million years from now, no one will remember anything that happened in 2019, this is Maya, nothing happened, it's just Maya, it's nishto.
14:34So how strange it is, that the pastor has ego-centric view of life, let's think what is happening here, this is everything, and nothing is happening there in the spiritual world.
14:45This is the focus.
14:51дорожка перевода · текст английскийSo this is completely backwards.
14:58bagava.
14:59All the wonderful events happening in the spiritual plane and this is nothing, just bubbles.
15:04дорожка перевода · текст английскийAll the wonderful events happening in the spiritual plane, and this is nothing, just bubbles. But Krishna is so kind that some of his lilas, he is manifesting here, and incidentally, the livingities all become delivered.
15:35So then someone may say, but Krishna could be in the spiritual world in his eternal form, and then he could have another spiritual world where he gets born and he grows and everything, and so he didn't have to do that here.
16:05So, therefore, you cannot say that the cause of his appearance is his own realization of Rasa. Because he did not have to appear here today, he could have done it in a separate dimension of the spiritual world.
16:30Kirtan.
16:32But still, the very reason that the Gauraswarupa exists is their unfulfilled desires.
16:39дорожка перевода · текст английскийBut still, the very reason that the Gauraswarupa exists is their unfulfilled desires.
16:46So when Chaitanya Mahaprabhu comes there, it's still the cause of the lila.
16:59дорожка перевода · текст английскийIt's like saying, I said to you, why did you come here? To the prasadamu. So I came to take prasadamu. But we could also say, the reason you came here was because your mother gave birth to you.
17:21It is more fundamental, because if she didn't give birth to you, then you couldn't come to the prasana, then another way we can look at it, let's say that you go to the forests to have a picnic to eat, so you did not have to eat in the forest. You could eat at home, you could eat at home, you could eat at home, you could eat at home, but if someone asks you, why did you come to the forest, if someone asks you, why did you come to the forest, you came to have a picnic to eat, so even though it was not necessary, it was not absolutely necessary, but still that's why you came, so it was perhaps not absolutely necessary that the Gora Lila or Krishna Lila,
18:20He is being born and growing. He could have been in another dimension of the spiritual world. But still, when He appears here, what did He come here to do? Relish Rasa, or fulfill His desires, like that.
18:33Аналогичным образом, мы не можем сказать, что есть какая-то прям абсолютная необходимость приходить сюда, Mahaprabhu, и кушать расу, являть и цели. Он может сделать это где-то в другом месте, в духовном мире, но тем не менее, Он приходит.
18:49So for the Supreme Lord nothing is compulsory. Compulsory? Mandatory. Mandatory. Mandatory. That you absolutely have to do it, and you have no choice in that. So for the Lord there is nothing that He has to do, he has to do, he has to do. So in one sense it is not mandatory that Gora or Krishna will come here to relish Rasa, but still when they come here, that's why they come here.
19:19дорожка перевода · текст английскийWe can say the following way, that there is not for Krishna, for Gauranga, absolute necessity that he should come here and bring him to the people, and all he comes.
19:32And therefore the appearance is described to be due to the nature of the Lord. One, that he is Rasekhshekar, and two, Rasekhshkha-Svabav, his nature is to relish Ras, is the main cause. And the other is his para makaruna-swaba, that is very very kind.
19:51...due основные причины являются...
20:01...то есть поскольку Krishna on Rasika Shekha, его svaba, вот если он вхушает rasu, то что он пара makaruna, он выше степени сострадательный. Эти два аспекта являются причинами его лил в этом мире.
20:15So all of these things are explained very nicely, in detail, in the beginning, first four chapters of Chaitanya Charitamrita.
20:21In first four глав of Chaitanya Charitamrita, you can read about these things in detail.
20:41The Supreme Lord appears, first of all, to relish the essence of prema-rasa and also to distribute raga-nuga-bhakti.
20:52Махапрабху пришел для того, чтобы в первую очередь вкушить араху, и во вторую очередь распространить рага-нуга-бхакти.
21:02So he is not caused to do these things from any outside force, but it's arising from his swaba, his nature, as Rasik Sheikha, the relisher of Rasa, and Paramakarun, his nature being very muslim.
21:24So in one sense, in that sense, none of his lilas are forced upon him, but they arise from his own swarukha.
21:39Whereas with the human being, it's different.
21:47You can say, why did you come to the prasadam room?
21:52Because if you don't come every day, you will starve to death.
22:00You cannot say, I have come just to release the taste of prasadam. You will also die if you don't.
22:12So when we speak about causes of activities, us, but when the Supreme Lord does anything, it's arising from his own spiritual nature.
22:24дорожка перевода · текст английскийWe are controlled by the reason and the reason, because Krishna is himself the reason. Everything that he does is dictated by his inner nature, his shubhava.
22:39Deliberate on these things. And you can look and find the verses in Chaitanya.
22:44Почитайте первые четыре главы, Чайтанья Чаритамрита.
22:48Another question I knew?
22:49дорожка перевода · текст английскийWhat's the question?
23:01Once, I think, was in Moscow this summer, you talk about that, of course, pure love is only for God, and then the love that we can feel in this world is just maya and passion and attachment, and how we are more like, we want to receive instead of giving everything. Kirtan.
23:24дорожка перевода · текст английскийSo out of this I have two questions.
23:27So in this case then I don't see the point then why to even get married, why to bother like, I mean for me I see that the way of serving your gurudev and supporting each other.
23:41But with love, like if there is no love then there is no point like to do all of this. And also, like, I'm wondering then, what is a love for a child, because you say that mostly is not love also because we want to give and receive, but I think for a child you just give, like you have no choice, your daddy is to give, to love, and for me I see it more like a pure love also, you know.
24:23дорожка перевода · текст английскийVrindavan, Ritual love is unconditional. It's not dependent upon anything. It's not dependent upon anything. So, even though in this world the love for a child is the most selfless.
24:46дорожка перевода · текст английскийI hope love between mother and child is the most
24:51дорожка перевода · текст английскийAnd it has to be also, biologically, even not human beings, even animals, because if male and female don't have attachment to each other and mothers don't have attachment to their children, then the life will not go on, because all these things are very complicated and inconvenient,
25:16So, people would just say, well, let's just not reproduce and that's it, just die out, no species anymore.
25:38That's when we heard in Srimad Bhagavatam about the creation, then Brahma is there and then he's producing his sons from meditation. Kriksha. And then he's telling them, now you have to reproduce, to make the bodies, to give the jiva's, the souls, a chance to do sadhana and develop love for Krishna.
25:56дорожка перевода · текст английскийWe heard from Srimad Bhagavatam, how from his consciousness Brahma created the sons and promised them to build the universe, so that the living beings, the jiva's, the jiva's, the jiva's, get the bodies, and in these bodies could achieve sadhana and achieve Krishna. But now, coming back to the general family relationship, Let's now return to ordinary family relationships, and the condition, the condition is the body, and the condition is the body, and the condition is the body, because you love that child, you love that child, but if the child will die and be born to your next door neighbor, then you don't love him, with the same attachment, you will not give yourself fully to another person's child,
26:45Вы не будете полностью себе отдавать ребенку другого человека.
26:50Even if that child is exactly the same soul that took birth from yours.
26:54Даже если это будет та же самая душа, которая совсем недавно была вашим ребенком.
26:58So what's the basis of that love?
27:00Тогда каков базис этой любви?
27:02Connection with your own body.
27:04Это телесная связь.
27:05And what's the basis of your soul's connection with your own body?
27:09И какова связь вашего тела с душой? Maya. Это Maya, иллюзия.
27:16Understand? So, this is Tattva-gyana, knowledge, knowledge. So, now, when the couples come together, because we are in love,
27:32дорожка перевода · текст английскийWell, when the couples come together, because we are in love, because it's passion does not last.
27:45Tajaan, Vrindavan, Jiva, Paniho, Mani, Tata, Sefini, Uribe, Sonata, Bhajan, Naga, Srimad, Bhajan, Hamra, Srimad,
27:46At first it's very intoxicating and then after some time then the intoxication goes down and it just...
27:52дорожка перевода · текст английскийIt takes a while, for it time doesn't take a while, it's like a robbery, it's like a robbery, it's like a robbery, it's like a robbery, it's like a robbery, then it's like a robbery, it's like a robbery,
27:58And that's why in in phasis culture, and in Christian culture as well the marriage is not to, we are going to get married, because we love...
28:07дорожка перевода · текст английскийBecause we feel a lot of lies!
28:13Брак, а брак не означал, что вот мужчины и женщины встретились, и они любят друг другу, поэтому они вместе.
28:30Брак в ведической христианской культуре означал, что пара дает обет перед священником и перед Богом.
28:38To produce the god-conscious children,
28:41дорожка перевода · текст английскийFor to produce the god-conscious children,
28:46And so in the Vedic culture and originally in the Christian culture, the marriage relationships were, they call holy matrimony, holy matrimony, what is true?
28:58дорожка перевода · текст английскийA, this means a sacred union, marriage between women and women of the Vedic and Christian culture.
29:05Yes, yes. So, in Sanskrit it's called Vivaha, in English you say holy matrimony for Christianity, and in Sanskrit it's called Vivaha-yagya, means the sacrifice of marriage.
29:19дорожка перевода · текст английскийVivaha-yagya, that means a sacred union.
29:25So when everything is based on emotion, then the center or the purpose is the individual. I married because I like it, and this person married because he likes it or she likes it. But in the Vedic culture or in real spiritual culture like Christianity, the purpose of the marriage is a sacrifice to please God.
29:57So after some time, when all the butterflies fly away, you still have a reason to be married.
30:11And the reason is that you made a promise, a vow before God.
30:17And the system of marriage is given by Supreme Lord in the Vedas
30:22дорожка перевода · текст английскийAnd this system of marriage is given by Supreme Lord in the Vedas
30:26To make a stable society
30:28дорожка перевода · текст английскийTo make a stable society
30:30Because if a child grows up without the support of the mother and without the support of the father both The male aspect of psychology and the female aspect of psychology Then it's very difficult for that child to grow up with a balanced mentality Yes, for example, the universities have made studies on the cause of crime, so they try to discuss, it's the cause of crime.
31:17If the cause of crime poverty, if the cause of crime is poverty, which is a cause of crime, then they found that even people who are not so poor also do crime.
31:26дорожка перевода · текст английскийWell, in the end, when they calculate all the different factors, they found that the main form of crime was growing up without father present.
31:57Because the presence of the father makes some sanska impression in the mind of the person of what is authority and why it's important to have some authority and rules in your life.
32:17дорожка перевода · текст английскийSo, if a person is completely transcendental, it's not necessary for them to be married.
32:25Если человек полностью трансцендентен, ему не обязательно быть женатым.
32:31But sometimes it may be favorable. So you have many great liberating personalities like Srila Bhakti Nortaku, like Vyasadeva himself. You can see on Vyasadeva and Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura. In the Pancatattva out of five, four of them are married. In the Pancatattva four of them are married. In the Pancatattva four of them are married.
32:52В Панчататтве четверо из них женаты.
32:57So which ashram is favourable for your bhakti?
33:04Śrīla Prabhupāda said that all the men should be brahmacārī, and all the ladies should be married, so the mathematics is difficult, but also the gṛhasthas, they are also brahmacārī. Not at first, but that ideal is there. Śrīla Prabhupāda said, first year of marriage means change to the bed, but anyway, that will pass, so now you understand that the love in this world is Moha.
34:08Vrindavan.
34:10Теперь вы поняли, что любовь в этом мире – это моха, это иллюзия. И происходит это от нестабильного сознания.
34:21Поскольку ум нестабилен, то вот эта любовь, она тоже нестабильна.
34:28Потому что в центре не другая личность, на самом деле в центре вы сами.
34:33Все это основано на майе.
34:39Or realize the other person's svarūpa, then they are actually anonymous to each other.
34:45На самом деле, пока вы не осознали свою сварупу, они анонимны друг для друга.
34:50дорожка перевода · текст английскийDo you know this moment, you realize the other person's svarūpa, then they're actually anonymous to each other?
34:53This world is like the carnival in Venice.
34:58Ах, венецианский карнавал.
35:00You know in Venice? They have a big party every year, and everyone wears a mask. And in Venice they have a big party every year, and everyone wears a mask.
35:05И в Венеции каждый год проходит большой праздник, и все носят маски.
35:09So they can behave and do and say things in such a way, that afterwards no one will know who did something.
35:15И они могут вести себя так, что никто не узнает, кто что сделал.
35:22So on that day everyone is anonymous.
35:27So in the same way, all the living entities, despite their apparent relationships, they are all anonymous to each other.
35:39And the center is Krishna. Kṛṣṇa. And the love that we have for each other depends on the intensity of the love that that individual has for Krishna.
36:13И любовь, которую мы испытываем друг к другу, зависит от интенсивности любви, которую этот человек испытывает к Кришне.
