англ. название записи: Istagosthi: Does Vyasadev Realise the Nature of SB? - 2024-11-21 - Sri Prem Prayojan
0:01Gokula, Gurudev. У меня возник вопрос по поводу того, что однажды Сатья спрашивала Господа Шива, кто знает Кришну, и он перечислял этих личностей себя, он сказал, я знаю Кришну, Шукадева Госвами знает Кришну, но он также сказал, что Васудева, возможно, знает Кришну.
1:03I have question one time Sati asked Shivaji who knows Krishna and Shivaji told I know Krishna also I know Krishna. Shukadeva. Shukadeva Goswami knows Krishna, but Vyasadeva we don't know. And how to understand this, if Vyasadeva told about Krishna to his son, how he could not know?
1:39Вторая часть вопроса мне показалась тоже похожей, Господь Читания пришел в этот мир, Кришна пришел в этот мир, в монастырине Шримати Радхарани, чтобы осознать Манджария Бхаву, и естественно он не нарушает законы, он должен это сначала получить, он получил это от Ишварапури, Ишварапури получил от Мадхагендарапури, но тут уже как бы цепь прерывается,
2:07дорожка перевода · текст английскийisli, kto im, kto im, kto im, peredaval eto nastroenie, ili Madhavendra Puri, otkudu-ta, vzal eto nastroenie, i stala ta, peredavati.
2:17And also similar question for me, about Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, he came in the mood of Radharani, to relish and share Manjari Baba, and how, like, he received this knowledge from Ishwara Puri, and Ishvara puri received from Madhavendra puri but from where Madhavendra puri got this knowledge and or he was like first how to understand this not knowledge but the mood of this manjali power first of all this verse This is not coming from a conversation of Shiva and Sati.
3:15дорожка перевода · текст английскийThis is not coming from a conversation of Shiva and Sati.
3:18It was written by Lord Shiva himself when he was confirming the authenticity of Sri Daswami's commentary on Srimad Bhagavatam.
3:33Когда он подтверждал авторитетность, комментарии, Sridhar Rajasana, нашим Бхагаватам
3:40And Mahadeva saying, Humveid me, it is not about knowing Krishna, it is about the realizing the nature of Srimad Bhagavatam Of course, Srimad Bhagavatam is not different from Krishna, but it's about understanding the teaching of Srimad Bhagavatam
4:00Этот вопрос не о том, кто знает Кришну, а кто нет, а кто осознал природу Шримад-бхагаватам и как осознать Шримад-бхагаватам. Ахам ведми, Шива же сказал, я знаю значение Шримад-бхагаватам.
4:26Shukhoveiti, Shukadeva Goswami, he knows the meaning of Srimad Bhagavad.
4:30дорожка перевода · текст английскийShukadeva Goswami, he knows the meaning of Srimad Bhagavad.
4:33Vyasa-veiti-na-veti-va, Vyasa-deva, it's not clear whether he knows or not.
4:39дорожка перевода · текст английскийAnd about Vyasa-deva, it's not clear whether he knows or not.
4:43Bhakta-bhagavatam-grayam, that means the bhagavatam can be known, it can be perceived, it can be received, it can be accepted.
4:59bhaktiya, bhakti.
5:01И Shumad Bhagavatam, можно получить, воспринять только через bhakti.
5:06Bhaktiya bhagavatam krayam, na buddhya, it cannot be understood by your intelligence.
5:12И na buddhi, Shumad Bhagavatam, нельзя понять с помощью своего интеллекта, разума.
5:18Then someone may say, yes, I understand that by my intelligence I cannot know it, but if I read the commentary, then I can know it by reading the commentary.
5:28Кто-то может сказать, да, своим умом я не могу понять, но если я прочитаю комментарии, то я точно все осознаю.
5:35So na budja na chati kaya, it cannot be known by reading the commentary.
5:41И также с помощью чтения комментариев это нельзя осознать.
5:44The meaning is that bhakti, shuddha bhakti, is the essence of Samvita and Ladini.
5:53То есть суть в том, что bhakti – это эссенция Samvita и Ladini.
5:59дорожка перевода · текст английскийSamvit-shakti is the swam-prakash, self-manifesting, samvit-shakti is the swam-prakash, self-manifesting, and it reveals the transcendental reality, and it reveals the transcendental reality, and the ladini gives you taste in that transcendental reality of Sikh Krishna, his name, form, qualities, associates, his holy dham and pastimes.
6:27A hladini daёт вкус к этой transcendentной реальности, к имени, форме, transcendentным lila.
6:36And the saivabriti, the powerful desire for service.
6:41дорожка перевода · текст английскийAnd the saivabriti, the powerful desire for service.
6:47Actually, taste and the desire for service are the same thing. Ruchi means abilas.
6:52And ruchi means abilas, that is, вкус and the desire for service are the same thing.
6:56So, only when bhakti comes in the heart, then a person can understand Srimad Bhagavatam.
7:06И только когда bhakti входит в сердце, личность может осознать Srimad Bhagavatam.
7:10You cannot know it by intelligence, you cannot know it by reading commentaries.
7:14Вы не можете осознать это своим умом и читая комментарии.
7:19Because without bhakti, if you read the commentary, now you have some detailed theoretical knowledge.
7:24Потому, что, если вы читаете комментарии, у вас просто какое-то теоретическое знание появляется.
7:34Но теоретическое знание – это не реализация.
7:44И теоретическое знание даже не трансцендентно.
8:00Woolly mammoth from 20 million years ago or whatever, a fossil, it means when something is very old and it turns into stone, like a living creature, after many-many years becomes like a piece of stone. Fossil? What's the word for it?
8:17Окаменелость?
8:18So, just as a fossil will never be alive, so the subtle body, the mind will never be conscious.
8:28дорожка перевода · текст английскийI Shilabhakti, Raksha, Shilabhakti, Raksha, Shilabhakti, Raksha, Gawaril,
8:32Что также, как вот эта окаменелая ископаемая, никогда не станет живым, Точно также, ум никогда не станет живым.
8:40So, the mind is said to be Chaitanya-bhas, that means, the semblance of consciousness, Because the jnana, briti of the soul is reflected in the movement of the dead mind and intellect and ego.
8:52дорожка перевода · текст английскийOna jabalita, any constrikti within that dead psychological body is never the same as the reality of the completely conscious eternal Krishna, and all of his paraphernalia, they are completely different.
9:24So, this is why theoretical knowledge and realization are not similar.
9:31Да, то есть, вот эти составляющие тонкого мёртвого тела, они никогда не смогут сравниться с трансцендентной реальностью, с параферналиями и так далее, поэтому никогда какое-то материальное сознание не сравнится с трансцендентным осознанием.
9:50So, the Bhagavatam is coming out from the trance of Vyasadeva.
9:54дорожка перевода · текст английскийI Bhagavatam is a show of the trance of Vyasadeva.
9:58So, a person may interpret it according to their own understanding of linguistics, but the truth of the matter is, it is the Anubhav of Vyasadeva Samadhi. It is Samadhi Bhasha, trance language.
10:27дорожка перевода · текст английскийSo it can only be understood by bhakti And the first angra bhakti is a shravana hearing And the first angra bhakti is a shravana hearing
10:39So, sadhyaori, dyabha-giru, teat, kirtibhi, susu, subis, tachanath, Vyasadev himself said, if a person is a kirtibhi, that means they become refined by the mercy of the acarya, their guru, they become prepared.
10:57То есть, если, то есть, сам Дьясадев говорит то, что нам необходимо стать подготовленными для получения этого знания с помощью guru-parampara, guru-daya,
11:08Shususrubi, and they are filled with eagerness to hear and serve.
11:14Shusrubi – это значит, что они преисполнены жажды слушать и служить.
11:20They have no bhagavriti, materialistic enjoying tendency.
11:25дорожка перевода · текст английскийThey have no bhagavriti, materialistic enjoying tendency.
11:31Then, if they will hear bhagavatam, sadhya, that means at once Sri Krishna appears in their heart, there's a direct transmission of the divine realm, just by the hearing process, there and then.
11:55So one implication is that if a person is not fully refined and purified and free from the enjoying tendency, then Krishna will still be captured in the heart by hearing Srimad Bhagavatam, but it won't be immediately, it will take some longer time.
12:15Но если личность не до конца очищена и какое-то еще в боговрите остается, склонность наслаждаться, то все равно Кришна будет схвачен в сердце посредством слушания, но это займет некоторое время, это не будет мгновенно.
12:33Now, the purpose of Srimad Bhagavatam, the Tattparya, is the Radha Dasan.
12:48Its purpose is to reveal the glories of Shrimadhi Radhika.
12:52дорожка перевода · текст английскийAnd its purpose is to reveal the glories of Shrimadhi Radhika.
12:59So, aham, be, me, I know Shima means Lord Shiva is Gopishwa Mahadev, he has a gopi form and he has adoption of the rasa-lilu.
13:14То есть, когда Господь Шива говорит, что я знаю Шимад Bhagavatam, он говорит о том, что я Gopishwa Mahadev, у меня есть gopi form, и я могу видеть rasa-lilu.
13:24Shukadeva Goswami is Radhika's parrot. He is also there in Radha Krishna's lila.
13:31And Shukadeva Goswami – это попугай Shemati Radhiki, and he can also see lila Radha Krishna.
13:38But where is Vyasadeva in the Rasa lila?
13:40дорожка перевода · текст английскийBut where is Vyasadeva in the Rasa lila?
13:43So, Vyasadeva may or may not know that even though the Bhagavatam appeared in his heart and he taught it to Shukadeva Goswami, But still, his realization may not be on the same level like Shiva and Shukadeva Goswami.
14:07Но Vyasadev может знать, а может не знать, и несмотря на то, что он поведал Шимад-бхагаватам о Shukadeva Goswami,
14:20Srila Vyasadev, he has so many pastimes with Krishna, but in his Dwar-Kalila.
14:31Yasa Devah, а complexionist, Heidi layering with Krishna in a whole apostles, Chaitanya Cruzava
14:37So, although certain parts of Bhagavatam are highly confidential in connection relation towards hisism, may come through him, but he may not have the same depth of realization as Lord Shiva and Sukadeva Goswami
14:53То есть несмотря на то, что конфиденциальные лилы, они могли пройти через него, через его сердце, но это не значит, что у него такая же глубина этих осознаний, как у Шукадева, Госвами, и Шиваджи
15:07Even Narada, Narada and Vyas, though they are the Guru and Paramgurudev of Shukadeva Goswami, they were sitting and listening to him when he spoke Bhagavatam to Prikshit Maharaja and they benefited so much from this. Shukamukhadamrita, Drapa Samyutam, Vyasadeva himself said this Bhagavatam became more beautiful because Shukadeva Goswami spoke it.
15:47Now, come to your second question. And the second question. How can, if Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, he can give manjari bhav, because he received from whatever, Ishwara Puri, Madhavanda Puri, but who, where did he come from before that? This is not the correct understanding.
16:08дорожка перевода · текст английскийAnd if Chaitanya Mahaprabhu could give Manjuri Bhavu and he got a Atishura Purit, Madhavendra Purit, where did it come from? Where did it come from? It is a wrong understanding. What Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is given? Anarapita Charitamrita, it was never given before. And what Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is given, Anarapita Charitamrita, it was never given before.
16:33So, before Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, Belva Mangal Thapur, Jaideva Goswami, Madhavendra Puri and others, they were in Madhuri Rasa, they are gopis, but there's no evidence that they were in the manju is following Rupa Manju.
17:13So, for Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, he is performing the acharya lila of taking initiation.
17:27But he is not dependent on that initiation for giving the Manjuribhava.
17:31дорожка перевода · текст английскийNo, he is not dependent on that initiation for giving the Manjuribhava.
17:36What? He is incarnation of Radha and Krishna combined.
17:40дорожка перевода · текст английскийOh, he is incarnation of Radha and Krishna combined.
17:44Nothing exists outside of Jaitanya Mahaprabhu.
17:47дорожка перевода · текст английскийNothing exists outside of Jaitanya Mahaprabhu.
Yadva-itam brahmopani-shadi tatapyasya tanuva, ya atman tarayami purusha itisosongsa vibhava sadhaiswarya punayabhavansasvamayam sa Chaitanya and paramatattvam paramhiyya na Chaitanya krishnat jagati paratattvam paramhiyya
18:09what is called the people who study the Upanishads called Brahman is just a partial effulgence of his body what the yogis are calling Paramatma is his very insignificant portion of a portion and that person they're calling Bhagavan who has all Aishwarya in full, that Krishna, that very Krishna is Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, there's no truth beyond him.
18:36So it's not that Chaitanya Mahaprabhu has received some extra truth from Madhavanda, Puriya, Shvarapuri and so on. This is lila.
18:50Jitamhu,α
18:51И те, кто получают знания, и запанишают, и называют, и осознgarют Brahma, то есть это лишь сияние, которое исходит от цели кришны. А те, кто осознает Brahma, ну они на самом деле только частичку, частички Кришны осознают.
19:09А те, кто называют и осознgarёт Кришну как Bhagavana, то этот самый Bhagavan является ч crescutан Nibangā-gabhagvam,
19:19дорожка перевода · текст английскийBhaji, Maha Vrindavan, he is such a true love and true.
19:23дорожка перевода · текст английскийAnd it's not so that he received a sense of a change of meditation from Madhavandrupuri and Ishvara Puri, but it's lila.
19:35Maha Bhavu is the...
19:43Radha Krishna Milihita Tanu – the combined form of Radha Krishna. Chaitanya, yakyam, prakatam, aduna, taddayam, chaykya, maprabhu, these two have now become one in the form of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, so there is nothing outside of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu.
19:59дорожка перевода · текст английскийSo there is nothing outside of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, it is a combined form of Radha and Krishna, so they were two and became one.
20:09So he does not require anyone to give him something.
20:12дорожка перевода · текст английскийAnd there is no need for him to get something from someone.
20:17nagle, to, an вышli na tava la.
20:22Just like with Ramananda Rai. By hearing from Ramanandu Rai, he had so many new realizations. But Ramanandu Rai spoke to him. Actually, he was the ocean and Ramanandu Rai was the cloud. Ramanandu Rai has come from the ocean.
20:51So, it sometimes happens in the history of a Sampradaya that there is a greater revelation than before.
21:04То есть иногда бывает в истории самбрадая у кого-то более возвышенной реализации, чем прежде То есть, например, Bilvamangal Takur явил больше, чем Шейдар-свами и Вишну-свами
21:32. .
21:36So, this is the will of the Supreme Lord.
21:41And sometimes the Supreme Lord sends eternal associates into this world and they have the past time of receiving initiation in the line, but they have more to reveal than even some previous Acharyas.
21:57And sometimes the eternal beings of God are in some kind of сампрадаи, and they have a lot of potential to show a greater greater realization than in the previous Ачарий.
22:12For example, Madhavendra Puri is eternal associate of Radha and Krishna, and when he appeared, then he revealed much more than was in the previously the line up to Madhavacharya.
22:23Madhavindra Puri является вечным спутником Господа, и когда он явился, он дал намного больше, чем предыдущий ачарий в Madhava-sampradai.
22:33Madhavindra Puri is the combining incarnation of Hanuman, Vayudeva and Bhimasen.
22:41Madhavindra Puri вмещает себя Hanuman, Vayudeva and Bhimasen.
22:46So sometimes it happens that some great personality from the spiritual world comes, and to show example to the public, they take initiation, but they will reveal more than even their previous acharyas. That is not what happens with the conditioned soul, who is slowly becoming the sadhana siddha. He, everything, his realization is only coming from his paramparas.
23:16Ida.
23:17дорожка перевода · текст английскийI tako eva, iveau, atto, vmt because god v�나 sputnik, on 거예요 and out shall come here and get the initiative, on an example, be a kind of example of a reference, and it's not as possible,
23:32as usual, abusloumion duca tego мира принимает pribidzium w guru paramburi,
23:38дорожка перевода · текст английскийi iz Alice vowie, i all it were knowledge on, ee, on the mija, about guru paramburi. And when then comes the full moon, then he can live even sooner, than the previous one.
23:54Sri Lodha sayinor Takuya in Jaiva Dharma also describes that Vaishnavizm itself as the life of the universe is gradually extended, Vaishnava itself is developing like lotus flower.
24:16дорожка перевода · текст английскийYou both have Jiva Dharma,iliśmy tu te without son. When Brahmadji, ponti to Vahad clones of the Remember is, in our very little Su�트 signed, fussell center, as the sl converging sri mount of Bhagavatam and tocou牌 consciousness, Ve ashnu GOhorn in theiene that renews the same as participation of liv Woo?
24:29When Brahmadji the receive of Shramad Bhagavatam and paste it on also it was in the fourth seed verses,
24:41so the 부 husband is in the seed form.
24:46Whenإ 대해서 капиталки Białem récup把 the clapet of Bhagavatam were received,
24:55дорожка перевода · текст английскийBut when Shukadeva Goswami spoke about Shumad Bhagavatam, then it was like a lotus bud, and when Shukadeva Goswami spoke about Shumad Bhagavatam, it was like a lotus bud, and when Madhavanda Puri came into this world, then that lotus opened. And when Madhavendra Puriya came to this world, the lotus rose and spread.
25:21And when Mahaprabhu appeared, the fragrance of the lotus spread to everyone.
25:27дорожка перевода · текст английскийAnd when Mahaprabhu came to this world, the aroma of the lotus was spread everywhere.
25:32So there is ongoing revelation.
25:37дорожка перевода · текст английскийThis is a continuing revelation.
25:42Go to pray, manan-dee, adi-adi-voh. No, no, no, no, no, no, no
