англ. название записи: Istagosthi - Were We in the Spiritual World Before? - 2024-05-26 - Sri Prem Prayojan
0:01It says immortal sons of Nectar who descended from the spiritual kingdom. So I wanted to ask you, can you please comment on this because we know that we didn't fall from the spiritual world or what does it mean?
0:54санскрит в речиGurudev не так напоминала шлоку из Upanishad, amritasie putra, что мы сыны бессмертного нектара, я хотела эту шлоку найти, и нашла в комментарии еще на праппаде, нашим отбагаватам, и там приводилась эта цитата, стив, что вы слушайте, вы бессмертные сыны нектара, те, кто снизошел из духовного мира, я поэтому спросила у Gurudeva, что это значит, потому что мы знаем, что мы не падали из духовного мира.
1:26Maybe it was the editor's mistake. I don't know, I'd prefer not to comment on something. If you show me, I'll comment. But if someone said that someone, Kimba Danti, Kimba Danti, who said that, who said?
1:46I'll give an answer anyway even. Because one thing is this. Once a devotee asked Srila Prabhupada, were we with Krishna in the spiritual world?
2:04and Prabhupada said yes he said but how just like before you were born you were with your father you see because before a person is born the soul is in the semen of the father so he's not really with him
2:26but he's with him
2:28because there's nowhere else to be there is only Krishna there is only Bhagava So you cannot be somewhere else, because there's no place where Krishna is known.
2:58So actually the next line ayedahamani, dibhyani, tishtahu, who once resided in the divine kingdom, just like that, so just as we have mentioned now, how Srila Prabhupada has explained, we can also see in this way, Srila Jiva Goswami, in the Sandarvas, he explains that at the time of the the total dissolution of the universe. So not the partial annihilation at the change of the manvantaras after 71 diviyugas. Not the dissolution at the time of the end of Brahma's day, but the complete dissolution at the end of Brahma's day.
4:03at the end of Brahma's life.
4:12Then all the living entities and all the universes are absorbed into the body of Mahavishnu.
4:22And then Mahavishnu enters into the body of the Mahasankarshan in Vaikuntha.
4:32So did you come from Baikunta? Yes, but in what way? You were never really consciously interacting or having any relationship with that Baikunta.
4:51дорожка перевода · текст английскийSo yes, we come from the Lord. We can say from the abode of the Lord even.
4:57But we cannot say that the living entity had any spiritual form, in which he was interacting in that actual eternal transcendental atmosphere.
5:13But rather, without any form, without any activities, without any relation, and in a state which is like shushupti, deep sleep.
5:35So don't think, because everyone in the spiritual world is a Mahabhagavati. Can a Mahabhagavati fall down? Fall down means to be involved in Maya.
5:53Mai. So between the spiritual and mature world, there is the Viraja River. Maya cannot cross the Viraja River because that river is Viraja. There's no rajas.
6:03дорожка перевода · текст английскийMewa, jndang, duhovim, mathe, rhaja, nhajara, maya nikoimopra, mora, nauhara, dirha, j Yajitamrita, k taskswami, sa-pahaitamrita, lajara, virajara, sa-pa-draha, sa-pahaitamrita, satsa-pahaitamrita, satsa-maja, sat-pahaitamrita, terma Maya, sikha, kirtan, satasa, satsa-pahaitamrita, kirtan, kapha, ua jatuhamrita, kirtan, kirtan, kirtan, kirtan, kirtan, harinama, yagat tuto naDumoha, ta-pahaitamrita, tamaparama, marama,
6:33so some people they speculate or that means you can only fall down once but actually there in that realm there is a completely pure love and so it is not possible for someone to turn away from Krishna because their very nature is to be absorbed in Krishna Even in Shantarasa, the basic ingredient of Shantarasa is Krishna Nishta So we can say we have this spiritual origin
7:34But this is more related to how we are dependent on God for our existence. Because the soul has no beginning. So when you say origin, it's not an origin in time that we didn't exist, then God made us. But rather the basis for our existence is the Supreme.
8:08and our origin cannot be the material because the material itself is not always manifest so during the times of the destruction then even Maha Vishnu enters into the Maha Sankarsha in the spiritual sky with all the jivas within him
8:28дорожка перевода · текст английскийSo even during the time of total destruction of the universe, Mahavishnu is in Mahasankarjana with all the jivares that are present.
8:40Is there another question?
8:42дорожка перевода · текст английскийAnother question?
8:43We know that there is a shock, anama-aparadha, and I want to ask, is it a rule that also works with apparatus? Because we know that even now, anama-aparadha is enough to annihilate this whole pub. But usually we are saying that we should chant more and more and a lot of namabhasa will come at one and afterwards all apparatus will go away. So is it correct or not? And second question, the second part, Krishna, Charnaphaibya, which stage is it?
9:25Вопрос следующий. Мы знаем, что это шло как и намабахэкустт, и мы знаем, что одного намабахэкустта достаточно, чтобы уничтожить все грехи, но также мы говорим, что нужно несколько произношений намабаса, чтобы уничтожить все парадхи
9:57So, I'll answer the second question first, because it's so easy.
10:03Neera, aparadha, nam, laile, pai, prema, dan, so what stage it's brain?
10:10Now, the other question is more nuanced, because let us say that the person, they chant namabas, but then they're slowly progressing.
10:33So, they're not making offense now, but there's still some reaction from previous offense.
10:46So, Nama Prabhu will give his full mercy by his own sweet will in his own sweet time.
11:00Shilavishlanita, Kaur, is giving an example to make it very clear exactly how this process works.
11:07Shilavishlanita, Kaur, привел очень ясный пример, который иллюстрирует то, как это происходит.
11:12There was one employee. He was working for a wealthy merchant. And he was actually misappropriating some money and keeping for himself.
11:30He was not keeping the accounts properly and he was misappropriating wealth. So the merchant found out and kicked him out of his company, he lost his job. So then afterwards he felt that person who had cheated, he felt very bad for his crime.
11:59And he came back to the company, and he began to work, for free, the owner was not even paying him, but the owner was watching him, and so even though he'd given up his offense, but he wasn't getting paid because of his previous offense,
12:23дорожка перевода · текст английскийzei-go, zza-go, zza-go, zza-go, zza-go, zza-go, zza-go, zza-go, on sweršil ranie.
12:27And then after some time, once the owner had again attained faith in him, that really he is sincere.
12:35дорожка перевода · текст английскийAnd then after some time, once the owner had again attained faith in him, that really he is sincere,
12:43then after that he reinstated him in all of his privileges, including his salary and so on.
12:55So, the holy name is like that. So even if we give up all offenses, but because we have a history of offenses, the full power of the holy name will not immediately come. We'll have to give up the offenses, and then slowly, slowly, Krishna's form, Krishna's qualities, associates, step by step it will come. It will not come all at once, as described in that verse.
13:25momentallimum, da, pavaril adina mamabhas, все грехи ушли, повторял второе, grižnu abrél,
13:30но в целом мы видим, что если какой-либо человек совершал когда-либо оскорбление, и сейчас он совершает практику и совершает его прилежно, но не получает милости, нам-апрабу, это говорит о том, что он вкушает реакции за те аппаратки, которые он совершал ранее, и следует продолжать процесс практики бхакти, и через какое-то время можно ожидать, что когда реакции для тенан-апаратки полностью уйдут,
14:04So the gradual revelation will come through the Shraddha-namabhasa, and then when Shuddha-nam comes, Naradvino, Jiva-nas, Udhuri-mi-nirya, samadhuri-pura, As Rupa Goswami, in the last verse of Nam, Astakam, he said, O holy name, you who give life to the vina of Narada.
14:44You are like a wave of nectar in a flood of sweetness.
14:54Oh, be merciful to me, fulfill all my desires by manifesting yourself on my tongue along with rasa.
15:06So, Srila Bhakti Nortakur has written a song, expanding each verse of namastakam of Rupa Goswami.
15:14дорожка перевода · текст английскийSo, this verse is described
15:31In the name of Radharamani, there, Naradmoni, Bhaja, Vina, Naradmoni's Vina is playing.
15:48So, when you are chanting, and the pure name is coming, then you will hear the sky filled with the sound of the vina of Narada Muni.
16:07And then, Srila Prabhupada, Nortakos, Aamiyadara, it's like nectar is raining from the sky.
16:22Lord Brahma is crying and chanting.
16:27Lord Shiva also. So, we heard yesterday, when Krishna played his flute and all the deragons became mad.
16:37So that you will experience that when you chant Shuddhanah.
16:47So namabhasa will come reveal things slowly and then the full actor will come with the Shuddhanah.
17:02And your own Swarupa, which is Satchidananda, like Krishna Swarupa, will be manifested and you'll enter into the pastimes.
17:22There's no question of any material chitta-vrittis.
17:26Там не существует никаких материалов, чита, бритика, любая ума
17:49Srila Bhaktanantakur is saying, oh, that person is fortunate, who one time will see the beauty of Sri Krishna That person's eyes will blossom, his heart will blossom, and he'll give up all chitavikara, all the chitavikara, all the chitavikara stopped, completely in the trance.
18:21When a pure devotee chasharinam, every day he's experiencing it.
18:30So try to check very carefully, avoiding the ten offenses, and especially avoiding inattention.
18:38Поэтому старайтесь воспевать очень тщательно, избегая namo-apparat, DC namo-apparat, и в частности невнимательности к воспеванию святого имени.
18:46Nowadays people think the reason the finger is outside of the beat bag is so that you can scroll, you can't follow.
18:58So, you should think any inattentiveness. Oh, this is an offense. It is like a thunderbolt on your head.
19:11дорожка перевода · текст английскийThis is like what I said.
19:17If a thunderbolt of Indra will strike you on the head, how long will it take you to recover?
19:25You will not recover, actually. There will be nothing left. So you say it like that. Even in this life you may not recover.
19:39Kintva, Radha, Anudinam, Kalu, Saeva, Jishtra, Rupa Goswami said, every day chant with Adhar. That means with the greatest reverence for the holy name.
19:57Don't develop a very casual attitude and familiarity with the holy name. You can be familiar in your svarub, but not in your sadhaka form.
20:17You can see this very extreme contrast in the katao we were discussing yesterday.
20:29In the lila of Krishna you can see Krishna, Balaram, Madhu Mangal, they are laughing, they are joking.
20:38Radha, Vrindavan, Vrindavan, Vrindavan, Vrindavan, Vrindavan, Radyka is arguing with us, like he is, but all those same personalities in the Gora-lila, they are extremely grave, everyone is denying, I have not done anything, everything is mercy, Rupa Goswami is bowing down to Haridastakura, to Ramananda Rai, Sarvabha, all the associates. They're all very grave, very humble and feeling great repentance for their fallen condition.
21:37and their lightness of heart, their laughing and joking and being frivolous, it is in the svarupa, not in their sadhaka form.
21:59So don't mix things up.
22:06Yes, question?
22:11It's actually a beginning question, I can only post questions like that, but it's a little bit related to the previous question and answer. I'm wondering if you could say a few things about Ekaagreta, as far as I can remember, it's also called Sampergata Samadhi, and there's six stages, I suppose, if you could say a few things, how this is...
22:33дорожка перевода · текст английскийEkaagreta means Ekaagre, one-pointedness.
22:47So, in the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, that's a kagrita, it comes when a person is free from the vikshipta, distraction.
23:07action. And we also agree with that. When you become free from vikshipta, the restless mind, then you can have ekagrita, steadiness.
23:28So then, Patanjuri describes six levels of sampragyata samadhi.
23:37We can know this object, but it's not a part of our practice, because in Vedanta we learn all the other classical philosophies also by comparison, by comparing them we can understand that Vedanta is supreme.
24:18So, if you say, can you just briefly explain the six types of that's a class, please explain the six types
24:29This is a whole class. This is not one question, this is six questions.
24:37But just in brief, the first levels are meditation on the gross form of a physical object. Then the next levels are meditation on the subtle, the tanmatras, the sense objects, which are the foundation of gross objects. Then the next level is the realization of the mechanisms of perception, how the sense atoms provide us with perceptions. So it's not meditating on a perception, but it's a meditation on the mechanism by which we perceive anything.
25:36And the last one, Asmit, Sasmit, is the meditation of the conjunction, where the soul is touching the Mahatattva, the consciousness, sorry, the jnana, the jnana-brity of the consciousness is touching the Mahatattva, and the sense of I-ness related to the material world.
25:58That is the sole sense of aynes reflected in the citta.
26:22So just like a person shooting, practicing archery, he has a big target and then he practices with a smaller target and a smaller target and a smaller target. The yogi is meditating on gross things, more sattu, more sattu, more sattu, and slowly coming to atma to soul.
27:03So, Srila Bhakti Nortakwa was explaining, the yogi is in the category of a karmi, and he is bhaimukh, because all the objects of his focus are of the material world, not the spiritual world, and at most he may meditate on Paramatman.
27:33But those stages, they are, he focuses on material, different levels of the mature energy.
27:46So we don't accept that. We want to follow the path of this antarmukh.
28:00дорожка перевода · текст английскийBut there is hearing and chanting about Krishna
28:08So in the end of Bhagavad-gita Krishna describes, because he's asking about Ekagrita, Ekagrita is described in the devotional path at the end, chapter 18 of Bhagavad-gita After speaking the whole Gita, Krishna said, He said, Hey Arjuna, did you listen to my words with
29:21So, if one will hear the Shabda Brahma from the lips of Sviguru, Transcendental Sal, with complete attentiveness, ekagrata citta, then there will be a spurti, the manifestation of Krishna in the heart and the destruction of ignorance.
29:56so that is real pramantatva, the principle of evidence. If someone says, can you show me God, say, can you have a kagrata chitta? Yes, we can show you God, but you can If you cannot see with your gross senses, you can't see with the purified Chitta.
30:32And so just the sense perception is called pratyaksh.
30:39дорожка перевода · текст английскийSo when the Chitta becomes steady and the person hears mantra from Guru,
30:44shikuru, then they also get the what is called Vaidusha-praktyaksh, the direct perception of a liberated soul.
31:08So it is possible to see God, but not a person whose mind is in a state of turbulence.
Therefore, Krishna said in Bhagavad-gita, Raja-vidya, Raja-guyam, Bhavetram ila-butamam, Pratyakshavagamam dharmyam, Susukam karkavavyam,
31:33This bhakti is the king of knowledge, it is the king of secrets, it is the most pure knowledge, and it is of the nature of pratyaks, it's a direct perception, bhakti gives you direct perception of the truth.
32:04Su-sukam, it's very natural and it's easily performed. It's not full of the harsh inconveniences of try to slow down your breath until you completely stop breathing, like pranayama, padhara.
32:24That is going against nature.
32:31So, Tsusukam kartamapayam, and it also goes on forever. You don't practice bhakti, and then realize God, and then stop bhakti. But bhakti goes on forever in the spiritual realm.
33:14shirabhita samadhi, shilabhita nortakoha also uses the phrase, sabhi, sabhi, kalpa, samadhi.
33:28So, Srivakti Nortakura said, unless a devotee spends some time every day in the sabhi, kalpa, samadhi, he cannot become free from anartas.
33:47As soon as the mind, the turbulence of the mind dies down, then one has an intuitive, direct experience that I am not this body.
34:02Actually, you have no relation with anything, the temporary.
34:09So, if one will experience this every day for some time, the impression of that experience of not being the body becomes stronger and stronger and stronger
34:20дорожка перевода · текст английскийAnd then a person can be sober and give up the thirst and the infatuation and the agitation
34:40adiccion to sense gratification.
34:54Because one cannot relish the sweetness of bhakti when the heart is still pierced by worldly attachments that are the cause of anxiety.
35:16дорожка перевода · текст английскийSo it is a main responsibility every day to chant very carefully, so it is a main responsibility every day to chant very carefully, and really complete 64 rounds, eventually try to come to that, but don't leave it to your 80-90 years old, try to, it takes time to come to that level, but
35:43Don't delay too much When you come to that level, then you'll be kicking yourself Oh, why didn't I do this before? This is wonderful
35:58дорожка перевода · текст английскийBuďte, ustabilna, vaspivai 64 kruga, yu buďte tam seyo epinać, kakže tak, ya wotstoka prasliyapil vremeni, yi delal eto vrraisha
36:11дорожка перевода · текст английскийUvui, uvui, ya trati'l živit pustu'yu
36:14Siharinam, Prabhu, Jai, Guatavan, Dei, Hari, Ayuboh
