англ. название записи: Q&A: Chatuh-shloki Bhagavad-gītā and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam - 2025-08-02 - Sri Prem Prayojan
0:01дорожка перевода · текст английскийMose, te podnete, filke, eskledite, voprosi?
0:26дорожка перевода · текст английскийYes, but they have group.
0:30Few years ago you gave extremely beautiful course on Chathurs-Lokhi-Bhagavata, how it's related to Vedanta Sutra and explaining Vedanta Sutra.
0:43дорожка перевода · текст английскийNesliki let's name it, you gave a seminar.
0:46Chathurs-Lokhi-Bhagavata. Yes.
0:49дорожка перевода · текст английскийAnd how it's related to Vedanta Sutra and explaining Vedanta Sutra. You're speaking, yes?
0:54Also, many times you explained it, and how it's related to Vedanta Sutra. and gave course and lectures about Chaitushokhi bhagavad-gita.
1:02И очень много Вы давали и объясняли про Chaitushokhi bhagavad-gita.
1:08No, I never heard about relationship and connection between Chaitushokhi bhagavad-gita and Chaitushokhi bhagavad-gita. Can you explain? Is there any connection or relation or no?
1:23дорожка перевода · текст английскийI've never heard about the relationship between Chaitushlok and Bhagavad-gita, Chaitushlok and Bhagavad-gita. Could you tell us if there is a connection between Chaitushlok and Bhagavad-gita?
1:36This is not a small question.
1:43So, just in brief, the Bhagavad-gita is the introduction to the subject of Krishna-tattva, sambandha, abhideya, and prayoja, is an introduction. Bhagavad-gita is called Gita-panishat, so Bhagavad-gita is the introduction to the subject of sambandha, abhideya, and prayoja.
2:16Bhagavad-gita, это вступление во sambandha, abhiddei, prayojana.
2:23And Sri Mata Bhagavatam is the Paramahamsa Samhita, is for the Paramahamsas.
2:31дорожка перевода · текст английскийAnd Sri Mata Bhagavatam is Paramahamsa Sankhita for Paramahamsa.
2:36So Sri Mata Bhagavatam used to say that the Gita is like a degree and Bhagavatam is like a PhD.
2:50That's the difference.
2:51Shilil Prabhupada говорил о том, что Gita, это как высшее образование, а Shumad Bhagavatam, это как докторское.
3:01So Bhagavad Gita is also called Gita Upanishad.
3:04Bhagavad Gita также называют Gita Upanishad.
3:08So the level of teaching in the Upanishad is giving Sambandha, Abhideya, and Parajan in the introductory form.
3:17уровни обучения в Ахупанишат — это уступительный уровень для самбанды, беды и праёжи.
Whereas the Srimad Bhagavatam, Krishna Bhakti Rasa Surup,
3:30а Srimad Bhagavatam,
3:32it is the embodiment of all Bhakti Rasa,
3:35включает в себе всю Bhakti Rasa.
3:37And the details of Bhakti Rasa are expanded and described in Srimad Bhagavatam.
3:43И детали Bhakti Rasa, они расширяются и описываются в Srimad Bhagavatam.
3:48And especially the presentation of the Mahabhava, of the gopis, of the brindavan, of Shimati Radhika is also in Srimad Bhagavatam. The thing is that you cannot find in Bhagavad-gita any details. There may be some slight hints, but there are no details of the Bhradja Prem, Bhradja Rasa and the love of gopis and Radhika.
4:16In Bhagavad-gita, you can't find the details of the raja-rasa and yoga. Sometimes some raja-vai-snabas have given some explanation like that, but that is the above. They will see the love of radhika and raja-gopis everywhere.
4:33дорожка перевода · текст английскийSometimes raja-vai-snabas can give any hints about this, because they see this manifestation everywhere.
4:41So, Gita and Bhagavatam, they are not on the same level, and they are not aimed at persons with the same adhikara. The adhikara of Srimad Bhagavatam is much higher. The eligibility to understand it.
4:58дорожка перевода · текст английскийGita and Bhagavatam, they are not on the same level, they are not aimed at persons with the same adhikara.
5:06But at the same time, we can see, there are some parallels in terms of sambandha, abideya and prayodjana.
5:14Но в то же время, есть определенные параллели между sambandha, abideya and prayodjana.
5:19In the first verse of Jathusloki Gita, the hamsar vasha prabhavu mataksar vampravata te, then, in this verse, you'll find sambandha tattva.
5:35И в этом стихе вы можете узнать о sambandha tattva.
5:42It's somewhat similar to the first verse of Chaitushlokhi, Bhagavatam.
5:48дорожка перевода · текст английскийIt starts with the same word.
5:59And it's the same, very expressing the same principle.
6:05И там выражается общий принцип.
Because here in Bhagavad-gita, ahamma-sarvasa-prabhava means, Krishna saying, I am the ingredient course, the upada current of all existence, mataksarvam pravartate, and from me everything is set into motion is, I am the nimitta current, the instrumental course.
6:34дорожка перевода · текст английскийKrishna, Bhagavad-gita, Gita, say, I am the instrumental cause, I am the instrumental cause, I am the instrumental cause.
6:55So this philosophical point or theological point is the speciality of Vedanta, which is called Abbinna Limitthophana, Vedanta-sutra is the only philosophy in which there is the non-difference between the instrumental and the ingredient course, abenna, nimittupada, it's course.
7:21Это особенность Vedanta-sutra, что нету разницы между инструментальной и составляющей причины.
7:29Yeah, unless we have a deep philosophical understanding, you cannot translate this, so you can just turn it. So, among the Sankh-darshan, wherever God is accepted, like in Nyaay, or Vaisheshik, in Yoga, not always in Sankhya, but in some interpretations of Sankhya, God is accepted as the instrumental cause of the world, but not as the ingredient cause.
7:59Vrindavan, vizte, где принимается Господь как инструментальная причина.
8:05But in Vedanta, a bitna nivitu barana, that is a specialty, Krishna is the instrumental cause and the ingredient as well.
8:17Но в Vedanta это особенность, что Кришна не только инструментальная причина, но и составляющая причина.
8:23That means Krishna is the porter and the porter.
8:25Krishna. Krishna является не только гончаром, но и горшком.
8:31Both. And so this is being expressed in the first verse of Chaito Slokhi, Gita, by the words
8:48Это описывается в 1-й чатушлоки, Bhagavad-gita, 1-м стиху, и в 1-м стиху, и в 1-м чатушлоки, Bhagavad-gita, 1-м стиху.
8:59So, the second verse of the чатушлоки, Gita, Matsita, Madhgata, Prana, Vadyantra, Parasparam, is describing, actually, the Abhidaya-tat for the process to attain perfection.
9:13Второй стих чатушлоки, Bhagavad-gita, описывает Abhidaya-tat.
9:18It's describing the behavior of the pure devotees.
9:21Оно описывает, как себя ведет чистый и преданный Как они слушают харикатху Как они воспевают, как они пометуют Но мы также можем это рассмотреть как прайоджану
9:46because it describes the behavior of the devotees who attain brain.
9:50Потому что это описывает, как себя ведут преданные, которые достигли прему.
Tushyanticha, Ramanticha, they are satisfied in the hearing, chanting, remembering, and they take great pleasure. Они удовлетворены и они получают огромное блаженство, воспевая, памятуя. Then, te shamsatatayuktanam, balyatam pratiporvakam, tadalmi budyogam, yenumam upyantitay, is avideyatator.
10:15Because Krishna is saying, for those who are engaged in this way, as described in the previous verse, then I personally give them the consciousness, the awareness, the intelligence, by which they come to me. And that's the method of attainment.
10:33Это метод достижения совершенства, также Abideya Tattva, потому что Krishna говорит, те, которые задействованы так, как я описываю, они даются разум для того, чтобы прийти ко мне.
10:56Krishna describes his special kripa, his special mercy on his devotees. Krishna describes his special krihanam kagitam maya, by my mercy, take up this process.
11:21Не напрямую в самом Чатушлоки Бхагватам, но вступление в Чатушлоки Бхагватам.
11:26And by this you will realize me by my mercy.
11:29Через мою милость ты осознаешь меня.
12:34If we compare to Chaita-sloki-bhagavatam, we see that the second verse, that is The second verse is also Sambandha-giana, The second verse is Sambandha-giana, Because it describes, there are two interpretations of this verse. One interpretation is how this verse is explaining Mahamaya.
13:04Есть два объяснения этого стиха. Одно из объяснений это он описывает Mahamaya.
13:12And the other interpretation is how this verse is explaining Yogamaya.
13:16А другое объяснение как что этот стих описывает Yogamaya.
13:21The third verse of Chaito Slokhi Bhagavatam is on the subject of Prayojan Takva Pri.
13:27Третий стих Chaito Slokhi Bhagavatam описывает Primo Prayojan.
13:38And here the analogy is given how the elements, earth, water, fire, air and ether, they enter into every object and also remain outside.
13:57And this analogy is to show that Sikh Krishna and his pastimes are outside the devotee and inside the devotee. one who has brain, is the ashraya tattva, and the ashraya tattva sees the vishaya tattva outwardly and inwardly.
14:15дорожка перевода · текст английскийAnd also Krishna, in the outside of the predation and inside of the predation, in his heart, all the games of Krishna, are the ashraya tattva.
14:27So this is a very highly elevated esoteric topic, which is expanded and expressed change, in the flow of the 10th kanto of Srimad Bhagavatam Krishna's lila, especially when Krishna sends a message to the gopis when he's in Mathur, and he sends a message to Udha, and also in Krishna's direct instructions to the gopis when they met at Kurukshetra.
14:56Это больше объясняется в десятой песне Шимад Bhagavatam, когда Кришна посылает как своего посланника Уда, у гопи, и также когда Кришна встречается на Куркшетре, встречается с гопи, там у них встреча и беседы
15:11In both cases, Krishna gives the same instruction, that the Raja-gopis and Radhika in separation, they say outwardly, oh, Krishna has left and gone to Mathura, but inwardly, they're experiencing, I'm meeting with Krishna, so this is the meaning of the Yatamahanti Bhutani, as the elements are inside and outside, so outside you are seeing my Prakatlila, and inside you are seeing my Abrakatlila.
15:43И в обоих случаях объясняется одно и то же Внешне Кришна ушел в матхуру, а внутри гопи всегда вместе с Кришной И это пракатлила и апракатлила Таким образом проявляет
16:00Even though this third verse of Chaito Shlokhi Bhagavatam seems to be the ontological discussion, but it's about the prema, it's about praying, only about love.
16:15Выглядит, что третий стих Chaito Shlokhi Bhagavatam, это как ontологическая беседа, но это всё о преме.
16:23But that cannot be understood without hearing, going through nine cantos, then the tenth canto and all the pastimes of Krishna and Radhika. But that cannot be understood without hearing, going through nine cantos, then the tenth canto and all the pastimes of Krishna and Radhika.
16:34дорожка перевода · текст английскийNo, it's impossible to understand, if we don't listen to Shimbad Bhagavatam, from the first to the ninth, then the tenth song of Shimbad Bhagavatam.
16:40So, the prema is called a rahasya, in the introduction to the Chaita-slokhi.
Jiyanam paramaguyam meita ghyana samanvitam, sah rahasya padangganca, grihitam gadhitam maya.
16:52So, that Prahyam Tathwa is called Aragrahasya, a great mystery in the introduction to the Chaitushulokhi.
17:00дорожка перевода · текст английскийPrahyam Tathwa, Aragrahasya, it's a great mystery, it's a great mystery, it's a great mystery, it's a very ה So, this is like the contents page of the Chaitushulokhi, because why?
17:24jnanam, paramam, goya, meh, this knowledge about me is confidential and it means knowledge of the sambandha tattva which is in the first verse, tattvik jnanam samangritam means the knowledge of sambandha tattva which is in the second verse, sara hasya tattva, sara hasya means chavasloki, rahasya, mystery in the third verse, tattva and its limbs, that's the fourth verse which is abhideya tattva, so that that verse jnanam param goya meh, it's like giving you the contents, and now the chatur shlokhi will come, and these are the contents of that chatur shlokhi.
18:04дорожка перевода · текст английскийIt's the entrance of the chatur shlokhi bhagva, it's like a path of the path, it's like a path, it's like when you open a book on the contents page, there's a list of all the things, which will come. How is it? It's the final contents. Yes, it's the final contents. Abidei, Sambandha Abidei brought the tatur.
18:21So, gyan refers to the first verse, big gyan to the second verse, rahasad to the third verse, and taranga to the fourth verse.
18:29Gyaana относится к первому стиху, Vigyaana к второму стиху, Rahasia к третьему стиху, taranga, taranga это четвертый стих.
18:37So the third verse on the prema-tattva, the prema-tattva is expressed in such a mysterious way that it is outside of the scope of Bhagavad-gita.
18:47Prema-tattva описывается таким удивительным образом, что это не находится в Bhagavad-gita, не в содержании Bhagavad-gita.
18:55Silla Vyasadeva had given the Bhagavad-gita, but he was not satisfied. When he gave Srimad Bhagavatam, then he was not satisfied.
19:01Когда Vyasadeva дал Bhagavad-gita, он не был удовлетворён, но как только он написал Srimad Bhagavatam, сразу стал счастливым и удовлетворён.
19:10Even though Bhagavad-gita is glorious and essential, it's necessary for everyone, but still there is some taratamya, that is, there are degrees of revelation in the scripture, and Srimad Bhagavatam is far superior.
19:25Несмотря на то, что Bhagavad-gita очень необходима, она очень возвышенная, мы должны ее изучать, но есть все-таки Taratamya, есть уровни, и Srimad Bhagavatam несравнительно выше.
19:39Abhideya is given in the fourth verse of Chaito Shukhi Bhakarta, Abhideya is given in the fourth verse of Chaito Shukhi Bhakavatam. Abhideya is given in the fourth verse of Chaito Shukhi Bhakarta, and it is describing the necessity of taking shelter of Sri Guru and serving the spiritual master.
20:11Jikhyasa, that is the inquiry about the absolute truth. It's not only asking questions, making one's entire life, guru-seva, is the inquiry after the absolute truth.
20:26Спрашивать об абсолютной истине. That is the method of inquiry. Метод воспрашивания об абсолютной истине, не только задавать вопросы ши-гуру, это служить ши-гуру.
20:40And that should be done at every moment, in every situation, and forever.
20:45дорожка перевода · текст английскийAnd that should be done at every moment, in every situation, and forever. And that should be done at every moment, in every situation, and forever.
20:52So, in this way, we gave it just a brief overview of Chantosloki Gita and Chantosloki Bhagavatam, and we see that it is not as if it would be artificial to try to create a one-to-one correspondence between them, because they have their own vaishistya specialities.
21:12Итак, мы очень коротко рассмотрели Chaitushokhi, Bhagavad-gita и Chaitushokhi, Shema Bhavad-gita, их между все, но мы не можем говорить, что они полностью соответствуют друг другу, потому что у каждой из них есть свои особенности.
21:26But we can see, they have a commonality in terms of the general themes of Sambandha, Abhideya, and Prayogja. Relationship, Process, and Goal.
21:36Но оба они рассматривают sambandha, abhideya и prayojana, но это их связывает.
