англ. название записи: Sri Prem Prayojan - 2019-06-24 - Ishtha-Goshthi
0:17When you were explaining about the earth, you were mentioning how it is a very inner meaning to offer the incense, how is it like when you took the deep and the other? This is not anything fixed, because Shastra doesn't say anything. So it's natural. In Vaidhi Bhakti, a person follows the rules and regulations.
0:42So generally, they may think that if you offer incense, this represents earth, because fragrance is the quality of earth, if you offer deep, then they have some Aishwarya, sometimes Aishwarya conceptions like this, but in Raghunuga Bhakti, there's no fixed conception, otherwise it would not be Raghunuga Bhakti, then it will be Raghunuga Bhakti, now you have to think like this, now you have to think like this, Raghunuga Bhakti, according to the taste and realization of that particular devotee on that day,
1:22Ishe Khichan, kindhe.
1:24Everyone was though, how do I do Raghunogabad, ведь you艾
1:28Please show me how to be spontaneous.
1:35What are the three steps to be spontaneous? This is another question.
1:44But when we listen, with how our Gurudev, his spontaneous move then? Because it depends on your arty. If the arty is maungal arty, then in the Raghunaga ghartha, the devotee thinks of the Nishanta lila, Radha Krishna waking up. So then it's a bit not very light in the kunj, because only the first morning light of the sun is coming.
2:07So if the devotee is offering the deep, then they'll think of some maidsommens of Radha Krishna looking with the deep in the dark to see if there's any evidence of Radha Krishna's meeting on their bodies. And then they're giving water to wash it, and then a cloth to wipe it away like this.
2:22So when you go home, no one will suspect that they were meeting in the night, I guess, so, but obviously, if you think, oh, this is what you have to meditate on, Arthi, then in noon, Arthi, or in the evening, Arthi, then, it's not applicable, because that's applicable only to that time of the day, also, anyway, the, the Sakis of Radhika, like Lalita, they offer Arthi to Radha Krishna, not thinking about any meanings, because, Arthi means that, to drive away all inauspiciousness, Krishna is coming back from tending the cows in the day, some demons have attacked or anything, Madhya Shoda will come and offer arty to Krishna to remove any auspiciousness that he may have come in contact with during the day.
3:23When Radha Krishna meets in the kunsh, then, so that Chandravali will not try to destroy anything, that Jutila will not come, or Kutila, or Abhimai, or anything, Lalit is offering arty to Radham Krishna to remove any inauspiciousness. Also the mood of the arty can be that whatever you see success, happiness comes from your piety. So whatever piety, whatever happiness I have, this I am offering to you so that you can be happy. So Madhya Shoda will do, Madhya Shoda is not worshipping Krishna that you are Bhagavan or anything like that. It's to remove inauspiciousness and offer all her piety that you will have a happy and long and successful life.
4:07So, then, the actual articles, they don't have a meaning in that sense. It's just that the art itself is an expression of care, an expression of protection, an expression of wishing the very best for that person. What about the Gornitai? In the art for Gornitai, for example, I know this question. desangya, desangya-artha, siksha, kirti, vajayayoh, jayoh, gauravachandha, so when you worship Mahaprabhu alone, or whether you worship Gaurani Thai, you should always think Mahaprabhu is with Panchita Torah, Sivarastakur, Godadha, Panitra, and all their associates, because always worship is going on in a yoga pit, so yoga pit means, Supreme Lord is there, surrounded by his associates in one layer, two layers, three layers, seven layers, seven amaranths,
5:10so the arti is always related to yoga, so when you worship Mahaprabhu, especially in the evening, it's the Sanya Arthi, on the bank of the Janavi, in Mayaprabhu, he's golden, and his golden effulgence he's spreading out, but this golden effulgence is Radharani's effulgence, and that's why when a person has the vision of that, and is touched by that golden effulgence, then because Radharani's mood, is Mahabhar, and the spreading out of her her effulgence is called Yavadashtraibriti, that means her own mood is spreading out, so by worshipping Mahaprabhu, having darshan seeing his mood, and being touched by his effulgence, doing arcing, that means that one is becoming pervaded with Radharani's mood, so that's why it says that Mahaprabhu is distributing the manzir mood of the maidsavans, how? He's not doing anything, only his effulgence is doing it, that's why Guru Tavaswami said,
6:18Hariri, kurata, sundara, juti, kadanda, sandhi, kata, ha, samarapaito, munna, to ujwalara, sang, sobakti, syam, Mahapubhu is completely giving the service to Radhika, how? Hariri, kurata, sundara, juti, just by his golden effulgence, so sadhari, diakanda, reis pratu, bahasachinandana, may that golden sachinandana appear in the cave of your heart, and just by that his effulgence will give you everything.
6:59from guru frame, razor frame are emanating, so when we worship our guru, then by service to guru, slowly we begin to realize that guru's form is transcendental, not only that form there, this form here also, we see the light emanating from guru's lotus field, and being touched by that, we become overwhelmed with the same sentiments, we imbibe and become permeated by gurudev sentiment, so worship is always the The purpose of bowing down, of offering worship is the transference of the Swarup Shakti, the transference of the Bhakti Shakti, this is asking very complicated questions, I'm sorry No, no, no, I like it It's nice But if you have any basic questions Maybe it's a silly thing that you, about what you said yesterday, that how we have to behave when we get the Diksha
8:08how we have to behave before Diksha is a process and it begins as soon as you start to surrender when someone came to my Gurudev and asked him when does Diksha really begin Gurudev said for some people even though they received initiation but Diksha did not begin and for other people they have not received initiation but Diksha has already begun Because it depends on the śaraṇāgati Depends on the spirit of surrender
8:50If you receive initiation, if you are very independent, you keep independent life, independent activities, independent ideas, then, even though a person may have a Brahman thread and a spiritual name and everything, the diksha hasn't started, and if a person, even though they have received the first initiation, to receive the Mahamantra, but they are fixing their mind, how can I please my spiritual master, and they are in every time of action in bhakti, just by chanting in kirtan, without any diksha, Or anything. However, because the mind is restless, because we have some bad habits, it becomes very difficult to receive the bhakti-śakti just by listening or just by kirtan.
9:53So this diksha is a formal process which regulates our lives to prepare us and to take away the restlessness of the mind and the bad habits. So restlessness and mind is called citta-vikṣepa. Program.
10:22And it's empty now? Yeah, it is. Okay, let's just relocate, because it's dusty, like the turn of bhakti. As we were explaining to Jiva Goswami in Bhaktisandharava, he said that any one of the aṅgas, the practices Of bhakti is powerful enough to give all perfection. However, persons who are afflicted by vikṣipta-citta, restless mind, and kārdarya-śīla.
11:01Kārdarya-śīla means unvirtuous activities or bad habits. They cannot quickly receive the benefit of practicing bhakti. And so in the Nārada-pañcarātra, some rules and regulations have been laid out, a process that you follow under the guidance of guru to overcome vikṣipta-citta, restless mind, and kārdarya-śīla, bad habits or unvirtuous activities. So, when a person receives the diksha, then they have to rise early in the morning, take shower, make a tilak, and attend aarti, they have to do some puja, worship their deities every day, so for this they have to be clean, they have to be regulated in their life, and they'll move towards sattva-guṇa, and away from the lower guṇas.
11:52They'll have to sit quietly and remember Gāyatrī mantras three times a day, and so on, and worship Tulasī, do parikramā of Tulasī, all of these things. So there are 64 aṅgas, 64 types of vaidhi-bhakti, which will follow these. And so because this regulates that devotee's life, gradually they become free from rajo-guṇa, tamo-guṇa, they become more sattva.
12:18And as soon as sattva is prominent, the mind becomes stable, because sattva is not dynamic, sattva is niṣkriya, it has no activity, rajas does all activity, all kriyā, kriyā means activity, all kriyā is done by rajo-guṇa, so when the mind becomes very sattva, it's peaceful, and it's not oscillating so much, and then very easy realization comes, by any aṅga-bhakti hearing, chanting, remembering, and so on, so that's why, Paramparā is not necessarily a diksha paramparā. The line of gurus doesn't depend on diksha, because bhakti itself doesn't depend on diksha.
13:02But we can say that in Kali Yuga, most of the living entities, they have very restless minds and they have very bad habits. So as a general rule, everyone, though bhakti doesn't depend on diksha, but everyone should go through that, because that's how they'll be successful.
13:29So diksha is, it is said there are pañca-aṅgas, five aṅgas of diksha. The first one is tapa, that is when you get branded with the hot iron, the marks additional on the body, but this tapa, this burning, we don't do that these days, but we have to do the inner meaning of tapa, and that is anutāpa, anutāpa means regret, the burning of regret, that until this time in my life, before I came to my guru, I was wasting my time, I have done many sinful activities, sense gratification, I'm being in a state of obliviousness, a state of indifference, not caring about God, only caring about myself.
14:14So the first step of initiation is to feel regret, because unless we feel regret for the way that we lived before, we'll not transform, we'll not adopt a new way of living. If we think the way I was living before is, oh, it's very wonderful, then we have no motivation to change. So the motivation to change comes from the regret or the repentance of our previous life, our previous mood, our previous activities.
14:42So the first step in initiation is not visible. It's one's own repentance and regret. Then the next step in initiation is called ūrdhva-puṇḍra, giving tilak. So ūrdhva means going up. And the idea is this, that the person who feels regret no longer wants to be involved in the worldly activities. And they turn that attention up, towards God towards the spiritual world. So to apply tilak is not just a decoration, it is not the cosmetic to make you look more beautiful. Tilak means my attitude is looking up, that everything I'm doing, I have no goal in the physical plane, I have no anchor holding me here. All of my desires, my mind
15:35So the second part of the initiation diksha is the acceptance of tilak. So these first two, tapa and ūrdhva-puṇḍra is looking away from the world and looking up towards God. Then the third part of initiation is Guru gives the Harināma, the Hare Krishna Mahāmantra and changes your name. Before your name was whatever, Francesco or something. So now you will get a name.
16:11Which is a name of Krishna but with Dāsa at the end. So Govinda Dāsa, Krishna Dāsa, Gopāla Dāsa, Jagannātha Dāsa, Madhusūdana Dāsa, some spiritual name of Krishna. So when you say this name you purify yourself. When others say it and hear it they become purified. And Dāsa means servant. So now you are, I am servant of Krishna. That's your name, servant of Krishna.
16:38So that is the third part, to receive the Hare Krishna Mahāmantra and have a new spiritual name. Third part of diksha. So when you see it in the traditional sense that diksha has five limbs, then you'll know that actually it is not receiving harināma and then diksha, really. But rather the process of surrender to guru, putting on tilak, receiving harināma, that was already the process of diksha was going on. And then the next one is the receiving mantra, the Gāyatrī mantra. So those mantras are never spoken out loud and they establish your relation, what type of Relationship you have with Krishna. So everyone is related to Krishna in a particular mood. Some are servants, some serve like friends with more intimacy. Some love Krishna like a parent, like Yaśodā, who is caring for him like her child. And some serve Krishna like the gopīs of Vṛndāvana in a romantic mood. So at the time of that fourth aṅga, Guru gives us a secret mantra that you never speak out loud. And this mantra nourishes your particular, special
17:47The special relationship that you have with Krishna, that you will, when you go to the spiritual world, how you will be serving there, or this will be revealed by that mantra, so, diksha is the fourth, sorry, receiving the Gāyatrī mantras, diksha mantras, that's the fourth, and then the fifth one, is called the yajña, and it means to learn how to do puja, so Gurudev shows you how to prepare the food, and give Tulasī, and sprinkle water, payita, naibadham, satulasi, panayajam, all the matters, how to offer your food to Krishna, and how to offer arati, how to do archan, all the things related to puja, so then these five things taken together, constitute the five limbs of diksha, and if you practice it every day, then you will overcome, diksha, tachita, restless mind, and kadarya, shil, bad habits, and then the power that was in the holy name, the holy name was
18:51This was always powerful, but you couldn't experience that power. Just like the sun is hot, but if you live in a cave, you cannot experience it. So the power of the name, and kirtan, and harinama is always there and can always give everything. But our consciousness was covered by these bad habits and restlessness. So once that problem is solved by these five samskaras of diksha, then you can experience the real power of the holy name, kirtan and harikatha, and then Krishna prema.
19:30Yes, Anadhi Kristo, we came here because the wind was, Trinavarta came, with the clouds of dust. I'm not sure if I understood right, but once you mentioned that one can see, you know, in a devotee, like from certain symptoms,
20:12Sidhe, sabeki, Jangatana Goswami,
20:30prema, who is kanishta adhikari, who is unsteady, who has some philosophical misconceptions, and an artist, and then they can see someone who is very very steady, mind is never disturbed, always absorbed in bhakti, they can see Madhyama Adhikari, and they cannot, who is Uttama Bhagavat, no one can tell, no one can tell, another Uttama Bhagavat may tell, but even he may not recognize, sometimes, because it's like a lila, you know, so, but there are some symptoms, When a person has the power to move the hearts of others, they quickly become devotees, then you should think that they are very advanced, because it's not ordinary, it's not normal, to bring the living beings into the path of bhakti, Krishna shakti vina nahi tara pravartana, Vallabhacharya in Chaitanya Charitamrita said to Mahaprabhu, that without Krishna shakti, anyone cannot actually spread the chanting of the holy name, so there's,
21:51Oh, Gurudev, please give me the ability to honor everyone, but according to their stage. So juniors are honored, but you should show mercy to those who are junior. And those who are your peers, you should honor them, but with friendship. And for those who are seniors, you should honor them, but with service.
22:10And so we interact with three types of devotees. We may not know their exact state, but we should be intelligent enough to know whether they are junior, equal, or more advanced than us, and honor them accordingly, and then we'll progress very nicely.
22:30I was wondering, while our Gurudev was still in the manifest pastimes, did he mention that he would come again as a guru, and help his disciples in future births, or in other, because it's an eternal lila to be a guru? Yes, he will open my eyes as my guru life after life. So, but, transcendental things are very mysterious. There are no limitations on them. So, for example, your guru may not be Rupa Goswami, but you are serving and hearing your guru. And at any moment, Rupa Goswami can enter into him and instruct you. Because guru tattva is one. So, in any pure Vaishnava, sometimes, Baladeva Vidyabhushan may be speaking. Sometimes, Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur may be speaking. Sometimes, Rupa Goswami may be speaking. Sometimes,
23:35Prabhupada, Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur may be speaking. So Gurudev is not a very limited material thing. It is transcendental. There is no limitation of time and space. The absolute realm is absolute and can appear in many different ways. There are many names and labels that I didn't understand, but as I'm flowing with the Shakti and the love, I was wondering about, you talked just before about self-realization, but in my case to really attain self-realization in this background, Yurapak, and what should be my sadhana properly?
24:23You should take shelter of a guru, and then try to... I recognize you as my guru? Yes, you can follow me. I'll give you my pranam mantra. That is a mantra, only it's a mantra by which you address your guru, and it gives some meditation on the personality, the identity, the qualities of guru, and it makes a connection.
24:47Then try to be with us as much as you can and bring the service and the guru watches the disciple for one year it's like a testing time because to enter the path of bhakti a person should be very humble and very sincere so it's actually very easy to be humble and sincere for one or two days but to maintain it it's more difficult you see because a person can easily be very and explode you know for some reason some small reason that's not necessarily a disqualification, because we all have some weaknesses in the beginning, but if a person will, let's say, they become intolerant or angry or upset about something, but then afterwards they feel some regret, I made a mistake, it shows that they are sincere, so failing is not a problem, but becoming humble about one's failings, then this is a sign of sincerity, that we want to correct ourselves, so the disciple, the guru watches the disciple,
25:50disciple, their behavior, their mentality, how they are sincere and serving for one year, but that's not only the time when the Guru is testing the disciple, but the disciples also testing the Guru, can watch the Guru, see how they're serving, how they're absorbed, how they're not doing any godly activities, how they're detached from any material pleasures, and ask questions to see whether this spiritual master really knows the Vedas, Vedanta, Upanishad, all the Vedic literatures, very, very thoroughly, and uncertainly.
26:21understand the essence of them. So that year, it's called the Gurupada Shraya, the shelter, taking shelter year, is a guru and disciple getting to know each other, making a strong relationship and building confidence and faith in each other. And then after that year, if guru is satisfied, then he can give initiation, the first initiation, that is the mahamantra.
26:48But, even before you receive that mantra officially, or formally, you should begin to chant, you can find out, you can speak to one of our disciples, you have a Japa Mala, let me see, it seems to be, that this mala is made of a chandan, sandalwood, you know, so it's very nice, you can chant on this mala, always I have to use the same mala, because in my house I have another of stones. I recommend that you get Tulasi mala. I have a Rudraksha. Rudraksha. No, Rudraksha is for the mantras to Lord Shiva. Ah, to Lord Shiva. To Lord Shiva, yes. So, if someone is doing Ashtanga Yoga or worshiping Lord Shiva, then their mala is Rudraksha. Okay. And they're very rough. Yes, yes. And by touching this rough mala your heart may become rough also. So,
27:52So, you should, better, its best mala is, any mala you can use, this mala you can use, but best in the future, or at the time of your initiation, you should have a Tulsi mala, you see, because there are different plants, which are used for worshipping different deities, so Shiva is worshipped with Rudraksha, and with bel fruit, Durga is worshipped with hibiscus flowers, you know, red hibiscus flowers, with a stem, you know, and, but all the forms of Bhagavan. Whether it's Krishna, Ram, Narayan, all the forms of Bhagavan, they're all worshipped with Tulsi. Perhaps you've seen it's a plant and very, very fragrant. So the malas which are made of Tulsi are very powerful for the worship of any form of Bhagavan, especially Krishna. Because Krishna's transcendental world is called Vrindavan. Vrindavan, yes, Vrindavan.
28:50The city where he was born, yes, so it's a forest actually, a very rural place, so Vaan means forest, and Brinda is a goddess, Brinda, Brinda, she's a goddess of the forest, of the forest, yes, so that Brinda incarnates in this world in the form of the Tulsi, and that's why all Vaishnavas, they worship the Tulsi, and they use the mala, because this mala connects them with the transcendental forest where Krishna is.
29:19In the south of India also there is a lot of tulsi, in Amma ashram there is many tulsi, for this reason, it's true tradition that Vaishnavas in India, outside their house, they have like a platform and tulsi growing there, they are all people. This master Amma also she realized chanting Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, she explained in his way that she was from his childhood worshiping Krishna.
Krishna, yes, yes, yes. So, God has many forms, but Krishna is the original form from which all the other forms come. This is explained in Bhagavad-gita, aham sarvasya prabhavo, mataksavam prabhate, all spiritual and ritual existences come from me.
30:16There is no reality superior to me. Everything rests upon me. Like pearls are strung upon a thread. Deva Deva Jagatpate. Oh, Arjuna says, Krishna, you are the god of all the gods. So there are many places in Gita and in the Bhagavad Puran and the Komtra Vedanta.
30:39There are many expansions, and expansions and expansions of God, like Nashingadev, Ram, Kurma, Vraha, Kalki, Buddha, even Buddha is one avatar.
30:54Jesus, he is not considered to be Bhagavan, but considered to be a great devotee, a great guru, who is shatyavesh, that means the power of God, God entered into him to teach the world about devolving. So we recognize Jesus as a shaktavesh avatar. Avatar. Yeah, an avatar for shaktavesh. Avatar means God himself comes in a spiritual form. By incarnation. Yeah. God himself comes in a form that is called avatar. And shaktavesh means there's a great guru and only the shakti of God enters into him and uses him like an instrument to touch people. That's how we relate to Jesus. I'm telling what you should do because you said what should you do.
31:41to practice, so rise up early in the morning, take bath, and you should sit, and chant japa, of this Mahamantra, Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, try to go around, 108, from the bead, there is one head bead, start on one side, and go 108, yes, this way, and then turn around and go 108 that way, so this is one mala, then two malas, three malas, like that, and do as much as you can, for initiation, you have to build up to 16 malas a day, 16 malas, so that's approximately, because there are, because there are 16 names of Krishna in the Mahamata, Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, if you do go around 16 times, it will be about 25,000 names of Krishna, and then you'll make a very good book, you should read Bhagavad Gita, if you send me an email, I can send you a link, to some, in Spanish, no, yeah, you could
32:46Do you read in Spanish or English as you like? In Spanish, I think in my mother house I have Bhagavad-gita Thakwales from Sri... Swami, Prabhupada, Prabhupada, yes, yes, this one is good. Because there are hundreds of translations and some of them are quite, not very good. I can send you, I can tell you, yeah.
33:05And some translations are good but the explanation is wrong. But this Bhagavad-gita by Prabhupada, you can trust it completely. Yeah, and in Barcelona I have a very good friend of his base, Nava is Mahayana. You know, I am, he also helped me in my spiritual path, and sometimes we discuss about Vaishnava, who is, you know, Vedanta, Vaita Vedanta, only one, yes, Advaita Vedanta, you should be at a distance from this, yeah, yeah, now I change my feeling through all this process that I have lived, but some time ago, when I was engaged with Bhagavan, I was following him,
33:52so it's good that you that you have interested in Vedanta with the Advaita Vedanta was it was composed by one sage is that the Vedanta citrus composed by Vyasa yes Veda Vyasa no no no it is one incarnation of Krishna who manifest to to write the Vedanta but the Advaita Vedanta this explanation was composed Shankacharya, Shankacharya, he was born in 788 AD and he lived for 32 years until 820 AD and you see what happened at that time Buddhism was very popular in India and Buddhists don't believe in the Vedas so Shankacharya taught a philosophy which was very close to Buddhism but using the Vedanta as the Prama, as the
34:54evidence. And in this way, he brought the people back to faith in the Vedas. So, Advaita Vedanta, see, to move them, what he said had to be very close to the Buddhist idea, to bring them back into faith in Vedanta and in Veda. But it was not at the conclusion. Then after him, another sage came named Ramanujacharya and Madhavacharya, others came, and then they took the persons a step further, away from the impersonal idea and into the very a very personal and devotional idea. So Vedanta, many people think it's a philosophy, very high, high, it's true it's a high philosophy, but they also think it's impersonal, but Vedanta is very personal, actually. In Vedanta you have sutras like Anandamayopyaasat, which means that the supreme truth is full of Ananda, full of joy. So something which has no personality cannot be joyful.
36:22so, these sutras, they cannot, if you take the direct meaning, they cannot be impossible, you can only make it into something impossible, if you take allegorical meaning, if you take a secondary meaning, a metaphorical meaning from the sutras, but with sutra literature, it's the nature, sutra is not poetry, with poetry, you can take a metaphorical meaning, but sutras are very direct philosophy, and so one should not take what is called the gonartha, secondary meaning, you have to take what is called mukya, the direct meaning. So if you take the sutras, the direct meaning, as you should do with the sutra literature, then the dhanta sutra is very impossible.
37:05What about Ramana Maharishi, the all the knowledge? Ramana Maharishi is kind of, his teaching was, the conclusion, the conclusion is saying like Advaita the dhanta, saying like, but he didn't fully follow Shankaracharya, he didn't really fully follow anyone, he was like a very spontaneous, nirvana. But in the end, the conclusions of Raman Maharshi and Shankaracharya are the same. That is the impersonal emptiness, a state of nirvana. So this, like I said, when you go into this, it is as if you become haunted by a ghost. Because you think everything is an illusion. And someone's trying to give good instruction, but you cannot listen because you think that person is also an illusion. Everything is illusion. You ignore everything.
37:53So it's like a, you go into a trap that you cannot come out. And as I described this morning, I described four ways in which the impersonal conception is completely incoherent and unacceptable. So our Chaitanya, the golden avatar Chaitanya, he said,
jiveya nistaralaghi sutrikoyla Vyasa, mayavadi basya shunilehoi sarvanash, which means Vyasa has written the Vedanta Sutra to help you come out of illusion, but if you study the interpretation of Shankaracharya, the impersonal interpretation, everything is lost, everything is lost, so even though it's very popular, but it's Kali Yuga, and in Kali Yuga, ideas which are very wrong,
38:42also very popular, the popularity does not prove the substance of the idea, you have to examine the idea for its own substance, not because many people like it, so, but what we find is, that many persons go through the stage of Advaita Vedanta on the way to the Bhakti Vedanta, yes, yes, yes, absolutely, and in the Vedas, there are very beautiful histories of sages who went through, through the impersonal stage on the way to the personal stage. Because at least the impersonal stage, though it's not the goal, but it is, we can say, helps you become detached from the material world. So some persons, they have material attachments and they go directly to bhakti and they attain Krishna. But others, they go more step by step. They first become detached from the world by the impersonal conception and then become attached to God afterwards.
39:46For example, there were four sages, then they're famous in India as called the four kumaras, and by their yoga siddhi, by their mystic power, from childhood they didn't grow up, they remained like children, because when you grow up, then sex desire comes and you become entangled with so many things, so by their yoga siddhi, they stayed young, and they didn't wear any clothing, in India children run around with no clothing, you know, so there were sages, they have no clothing, and though they are very old, they look very young. So one day by the notion of their guru, Brahma, they came to the gate of Vaikuntha, to the gate they were flying through space and they came to the gate of the spiritual world and then there were some guards there and they said sorry you can't come in, you are not dressed properly. So they said you are, I have such a big ego, why are you seeing external things? We are sages, we are always absorbing
40:51in the Brahman, in light. Why are you seeing the external things? An argument came. So when this argument was going on, then the personal form of Bhagavan, that is a form of Krishna called Narayan, a four-armed form, he approached them, and as he approached, all of them bowed down. And when those sages bowed down, the fragrance of the tosi leaves that was in the garland of Lord Narayan, that transcendental fragrance entered into their nostrils.
41:26Now, because their minds were absorbed in the light of Brahman, they never became excited, they were always very peaceful, chanta, chanta, chanta, bhaja, peaceful, peaceful, but when this fragrance, transcendental fragrance of Supreme Lord entered their nostrils, then their minds became excited, became agitated, and they experienced a happiness which was higher than nirvana, higher than liberation, so they said,
tasyara-vinda, nayanasya padara-vinda, kinjalka mishta tulasi makaranda-vayu, the meaning is that the breeze carried the fragrance of the beautiful garland of the Lord, it entered into their nose, and then their hearts, sanchovam akshra-dushamma pichitta-thango, their hearts began to tremble, and they felt such a joy, and after that, they became devotees, they were no longer interested in just meditating, just trying to give up the
42:29ego, mature ego, and go into light. It was very inferior in comparison with this higher transcendental experience. So there are many examples like this you can find in the Bhagavad Purana and in the histories of the saints. But you never find those who are bhaktas doing bhakti converting to Advaita Vedanta. It never happens.
42:54Only those who are Advaita Vedanta, they always, after some time, they think, oh, I'm not really happy. And I see the devotees and think, this is beautiful and they become devotees. So always the progress is in this way, it never goes the other way. So up until now in your life, it served a good purpose but now you have to keep growing, keep evolving. And I tell you something, the realization of the light, that is not an illusion, it's true, but it's just a preliminary realization of Krishna.
43:34Okay, give an example. Let's say that for many years you were trapped in a dark cave and you never saw any light for many years. Then one day you escaped and you went outside. So when you come outside, then what will you see? Light. You see, yeah, you see nothing but light because your eyes are not just the ordinary, it will be blinding. You cannot see. And gradually, gradually you adjust and then you start to make out some shapes. And then afterwards, then you come in focus.
44:07So in the same way, when a soul is in this material world, it's like a darkness, and when they rise above the illusion, then they're approaching the truth, but first they see light, but it doesn't mean that that is the last word in the truth, it's only what they experience when they're coming out of the darkness, and then they begin to see some shape, so the light is called Brahma, then when they begin to see some shape, they see that God is a person, that is Paramatma, And then when their focus becomes very, very fine and crisp, then they see Bhagavan, Krishna.
44:46So the light is really the light, the aura of God, just the aura coming from the body of God. Then Paramatma is God in the form by which He creates this material world, nature, material nature, yes. And then Bhagavan is, that is Krishna, that is God in his own world, in his own reality, completely beyond any connection with the material world.
45:14So in the commentary on Vedanta, it is said,
Vedanti tattat-tvavitas tattvam yadzgyanam advayam brahmeti paramatmeti bhagavan iti shabdite.
45:25The truth is one, but it's realized in three stages. First, Brahman, the light, then Paramatma, Ishwara, the controller of the world, and then Bhagavan, God in his own world. Is Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva the same? No, no, no. Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva, that is connected to three gunas. In this world, there are three gunas, Sattva, Rajas and Tamas.
45:48So, there is one form of God who is the controller of each one. So, Shiva controls Tamas, destruction. And when it's time for the universe to be dissolved, then Shiva does his dance, you know, the Tandabha Mircha, and he expands so many rudras who are very angry, and they dissolve the whole universe. So Shiva is in charge of Tamagun, ignorance. Brahma is in charge of Rajagun, creation. So every time the universe is destroyed, then it is manifested again, it goes in cycles.
46:19So Shiva destroys and after some time Brahma in his meditation and by the power of Rajagun then he does the creation. He cannot create the ingredients of the world. That means earth, water, fire, air and space. Only God can do that. Bhagavan. But Brahma, he's the first being in the universe, and by the power of his meditation, he combines the elements to make all the shapes that we see, all the forms of animals, the forms of human beings, the form of devitas and angels, like that.
46:52So Brahma's role as the deity of Rajagun, passion, is the secondary creation, not the ingredients, but the combination of the ingredients. So, just like if you cook, the farmer gives the ingredients, and the chef puts them together. So, God is like the farmer who gives the ingredients, and Brahman is like the cook, puts them together.
47:16The relation that you say before about Brahma and the...
47:21Oh, Brahma, these are two different things. Yeah, Brahman. Brahman, Brahman, Brahman, both A's are short, Brahman, and it means the light emanating from God. So, one thing is Brahman, and the other thing is Brahman. But, Brahma, that is Lord Brahma. ma, who does the creation, in this, the second A is long, first A should brah, ma, brahma, in Sanskrit there are two A's, a, a, a, bita, park, chita, park, gada, dada, park, ganya, nanama, yara, la, vasa, sasha, ha, that's the entire Sanskrit alphabet, 56 letters, so, and the first two letters are the short A and the long A, so, brahma, is the name of the light coming from, and then afterwards there is paramatma, that means you begin to see a form,
48:18Iiswa, the controller of the world, and that is the Vishnu, in Brahma, Shiva and Vishnu, Shiva is Tamagun, Brahma is Rajagun, and Vishnu controls up to the balance. So Brahma is like the big band, when the light is closed, do you know what it means? No, yes, yes, no. Because in the Bible says the first was the light, no?
48:40The first was the Word. In the beginning was the Word. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God, and with God, and created. In the Bible the word is Logos, Logos means that the reason, the intellect, the reasonableness of God is none different from him. So it's said that Logos appeared as Jesus, that Jesus reveals to us God's wisdom, the incarnation of God's wisdom.
49:10So as far as the Big Bang is concerned, there is a description similar to that in the Vedas. Brahma, the creator is not part of that, Brahma comes a little bit afterwards, because it said that the universes, they start very small and they expand, and so that's essentially the scientists discovered, that the universe is expanding, so it must have come from a point, so the Vedas say, like that, the universe starts small and expands, but then after a certain time, it begins to contract and goes back into a point again, you see, so once the universe begins to expand, and is expanded to a certain point, the elements are there, and then Brahma combines them and makes the objects. So the actual, if you like, the Vedic Big Bang, or the first expansion of the universe is done by God, and then the actual construction of the parts within the universe is done by Brahma, Brahma.
50:06In that sense, I like that scientific, I think, in my conception from that cosmology, the intelligence itself in the universe evolves in that sense. In conception, I don't know in the Belanta if the perfection is also evolving or the perfection is always already perfect. I don't know if I explain myself. Yes, the intelligence of God which is present in the world is always present and perfect, but like a flower, like all the information of a flower is there in the seed, but it's not fully open.
50:46So in the same way the universe like a lotus flower is blossoming that means more and more is being revealed so actually the the deep secrets of the Vedas very profound mysteries of the Vedas even in ancient times some of them were not revealed but there's an ongoing revelation of God's wisdom as you are saying there's ongoing revelation so God's wisdom is always perfect but it's not always manifested every time so when the universe expands there's more and more revelation of God's wisdom as well so that aspect is yes we agree so it's evolving in a certain way no yes the wisdom of the God yes from the expansion I'll give an example in ancient times when persons were worshiping Bhagavan they they knew about Krishna but mainly they focused on Narayan that is a forearm form where God is all powerful all pervading all knowing and they worship
51:51him as a servant. But now, as the universe is going on, time is going on, a deeper revelation is that actually Krishna, who seems very human and playing like a human being, he is the more complete conception of God because not only does he have servants, but he also has friendship, he also has parental love, he also has romantic love, all the different flavours of love, the complete spectrum of all the types of emotions are possible.
52:22towards Krishna. So though Krishna's lila was described in the Vedas before, but it was just the intelligence of the sages within the universe was not focused on that. And now as time goes on, there's been more and more inclination of the great sages to appear in this world and reveal a fuller picture of devotional service. And so especially Krishna appeared as Chaitanya Mahaprabhu 500 years ago.
52:53and then he really opened more than ever before. And what he revealed, it wasn't that it wasn't written in the Vedas, it was just that the time had not come yet for the sages, for the devotees to realize the deep meaning of those words. So we're in a very fortunate time, a very lucky time in history. Now is the best time. The process is relatively speaking much easier than the previous ages and also the goal which comes from this process is much higher.
53:30to become very close to in the service of Radha and Krishna. It is miraculous. For example, Brahma in the commentary on Vedanta, he says, It means, oh, I would be lucky if I could become even a blade of grass or a stone in Krishna's Vrindavan. So now Chaitanya Mahapu is giving us a chance to become like Krishna's beloveds, very, very close to Krishna. But back then, 5,000 years ago, Lord Brahma, who is more qualified than us, he said, oh, if I could just become a grass or a flower in Vrindavan, I would consider myself very lucky. So Chaitanya Mahaprabhu opened the door to deep opportunities and a much closer relationship with Krishna.
54:27But the meaning of Chaitanya? Chaitanya means consciousness. That's why our academy is called Chaitanya Academy. It has two meanings. One is we follow the teachings of Chaitanya. And the other meaning is something that's relevant for everyone. Consciousness. What does everyone have in common? You know, everyone is different. And even animals and trees, there's one thing that unites us all and that is consciousness. But our consciousness is in degrees of expansion. You see, consciousness expands and contracts. So when consciousness is contracted, then we have very little understanding.
55:07we have some very rudimentary awareness, but not a deep understanding, and consciousness slowly expands, the animal's consciousness is more expanded than say the consciousness of a tree, and for example, a dog is more conscious than a fish, an elephant is more conscious than a dog, dolphins have more, and whales have more, so there are degrees, the consciousness expands, the ability to think expands, and when you get human life, then it's more expanded.
55:41But the humanity people are not... Yes, because... Expanded consciousness. Expanded consciousness means your intelligence can function. But what happens is, people misuse their intelligence, they use their developed intelligence for evil. You see? If a lion wants to kill you, he'll just bite you. But if a man wants to kill, he can make a machine gun and just kill many, many people because he has developed intelligence and so the consequences of misusing the intelligence are more extreme So it's a great responsibility to be blessed by God with human intelligence and we should use that intelligence very wisely in understanding who we are So when we utilize our intelligence in searching for God, God sends Guru to us
56:35He blesses us with some intelligence to understand the words of Guru and the good intelligence to practice But what happens as you practice, the intelligence expands, the consciousness expands more and more And the fullest expansion of consciousness is called brain love, yeah brain love When the consciousness is fully expanded, the heart becomes very soft and spontaneously attracted to serving Krishna So that's why it's called the Chaitanya Academy, because one, we follow Chaitanya, and two, our subject is the subject of consciousness, and how to expand it to its fullest potential.
57:19More Chaitanya you get, or more awareness you get, more responsible have you been in interactions, and when you fail in interactions, more karma you have. Exactly, that's exactly the situation, if you have more understanding, then you have more responsibility, so that you are held to be more responsible, just like Sometimes the ego, no, because when consciousness expands, when consciousness expands, the ego dissolves, the ego dissolves, the ego is actually one contraction of consciousness, it's one aspect of contraction, it's a darkness, so the expansion of consciousness
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58:26because he should know better so with more knowledge comes more responsibility stupid question sorry but why 16 it's not it's not a fixed number but you have to fix some number in other words otherwise you will not come to a certain level and not slip back so our acharius no let's say to chance 16 rounds takes about between between one and a half to two hours.
59:11For me, I feel much more, because if I had done two of them, I do only eight. Then you must be chanting very slowly. But as you, no, you can chant a little faster, but not even. As you become more absorbed, the name will flow by itself. And the speed you will not be in control.
59:27Sometimes you will have it, and sometimes you cannot control it. But right now you are doing mechanically, so it's taking you long. But as you become more absorbed, name will start to take over and it will sometimes be very fast or slow then. So it's not important. But the idea is that it's called Sankhya Porvakannam, means completing a fixed number. So at least you make progress and you stay there, you don't slide back. And from that point you always do more.
59:59So our acharyas ascertained that for commitment, for initiation, at least this commitment to complete 16 rounds is a good level of commitment. It shows a good level of sincerity. But you should chant more if you can. I start with 16 every day, no? It's a good. Starting with 16 is very good. If someone starts with 4 or 8, it's nice. But if you can start from 16, then this is very good.
1:00:28You are on a good platform to rapidly make progress Because the more that you invest into this process, the more you will get out of it When I have day off, I do 16, but when I go to class Yes, if you can start from 16 and not do less every day, you will be very happy, you will progress on this So, our friend, he was asking about cosmology, the questions of cosmology. The interaction with the scientific community is something that the religions have not been, to this day, not very successful. There's a perception that religion is one thing and science is something else. But it's very artificial understanding. Knowledge is knowledge. And what we are calling science is just one methodology.
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1:02:07In the religious sphere are actually outside of the scope of the scientific methodology and the scientific methodology as it stands today is not complete. What we find mainly is scientists study maths but they're not very good at philosophy and we find that many scientists they're very naive on philosophical analysis and so though science itself tells us nothing about the existence or the non-existence of God but Just a very naive philosophical interpretation of the scientific results looks as if it's supporting some atheistic conclusion but it's not a fact and so here at a festival everyone is coming there relaxing I don't make the students work hard but when I'm giving lectures in a university or in others context sometimes I give very very exact and scientific lectures with with a big screen and with animations and diagram and everything to exactly
1:03:13Tadra, saibom, What are the strengths and the weaknesses of science?
1:03:17And what are the various correct and incorrect interpretations? And then making the synthesis of the scientific approach and the approach of Vedanta. So the videos of my seminars in various universities, they're available online. If that's your field of interest, write an email to me and say, I'm really interested in cosmology and science and religion, these things.
1:03:41I'll send you the links for those particular lectures. But when you have a very big audience at a place like this, then maybe in the audience two or three people appreciate that, and the other 97% you lose them. So, I have to try to speak in such a way that it's like umbrella that everyone in the audience has an interest in that topic.
1:04:04Yeah, because one thing is the cosmogony that you have, and the other thing is how this cosmogony can help in your daily life, so it's like two different, sometimes they can't live, but sometimes they have different things, philosophy, maybe it's not useful for daily life, or maybe yes, it depends. Yes, yes. And we find that a person's, some persons don't just, they don't think actually about cosmology. They just, it's not something that they think about. But those who do, usually it's an extension or a projection of their own identity, what they feel the nature of themselves. And they project on the universe. And we find also very often persons, they have ideas which are inconsistent, which are contradictory, but no one ever
1:04:55pointed out the contradiction in their ideas. That's what Socrates was very famous. I just want to say something, that our friend here looks exactly like Socrates. I don't know, love. Have you seen the statue of Socrates? Yes, it's similar. Because in our Chaitanya Academy we like to do dramas, so if one day we could do a drama of Socrates, you should play the part.
1:05:24But not the last part, the last part I prefer to play Don't worry, it will just be the fruit juice But the last part is very important Because what is Socrates saying? Actually you cannot kill me, because I am spiritual I am transcendental And I have had previous lives and I have a future life So I am not afraid of it The disciples were crying Socrates was happy. He never thought that now life is over and there's nothing. His last words were, oh, can you offer a chicken to Asclepius? There was one temple of a god, a Greek god named Asclepius, and he promised to give a chicken to that temple. So he's about to die, and you will think, well, this is irrelevant because you're dead now. But he was thinking, no, there's a continuity of life.
1:06:19So if I made a promise, then I should fulfill it. Because if you don't keep your promises in your next life, someone will break your promise to you. So it seems like the last words that he said were very trivial. But deeply, you see, it was actually not trivial. It was an extension of his understanding that life does not end with death.
1:06:42Consciousness is eternal and continuous and never affected by material circumstances. Sokrates. So I love Sokrates very much. So when I see him I feel so much love.
1:06:55What we feel, what we think and what we say have to be the same. Yes, we must be consistent in our words and thoughts and deeds. Sokrates was also not only a philosopher, he was very brave. Sometimes he was very brave. Sometimes he had to fight for Greece. And once one of his friends, Archiveadis, He was injured in a battle and was fallen and dying. And many enemies were around him. And Socrates came in the middle and fought them all off and picked up his injured friend. And they carried him to safety. So he was not only a philosopher, but a man of action. Yes, he was a man of action. So we should be like this also. We should not only be philosophers, but we should be people of action.
1:07:49We should care about others and be active in the world to create the atmosphere and opportunities where others can enter deeply into Vedic knowledge, have an opportunity to be touched by the vibration of the mantra of the holy names and awake and expand their consciousness to know themselves and to know God. So it's very good to be thoughtful but also be active in Krishna's solace.
1:08:16I'm saying this because I was just in, I was just recently in St. Petersburg, in Russia, in St. Petersburg, and there is a one place called Nikolovsky Palace, and they have a big art gallery, so I went there to see the religious art, and I saw one very big painter, just like the size of this wall, and I looked, and I saw, it was a Socrates with a sword, carrying his friend on his shoulder, and saying to me, it was just, it was just in my mind, and I was thinking, oh yeah, Just see, one should not only be a philosopher, but be in action in life, to help others.
1:09:08So we're having a festival, and I think it's in August in St. Petersburg. So if you have the chance to go, the festival will be very nice. St. Petersburg is like Venice, you know, all canals everywhere around the city. So we have, in Russia, we cannot do the sankirtan in through the streets.
1:09:28So we rent a big boat with an open top and loudspeakers. and all the devotees come in the boat and we do kirtan on the canals through the streets because it's not illegal because our boat is a private party but still everyone can everyone can hear the kirtan the last time we did that was during the World Cup so St. Petersburg was one of the main centers for the World Cup so there were millions of people there from all over the world and we could do harinama and share the kirtan with everyone so we'll do that we're doing that also this year
1:10:03ademus. It's in August.
1:10:13дорожка перевода · текст английскийPersona, cuando escucha el canto de Santo Nombre, puede que en ese momento no le haga nada, pero tarde o temprano, eso que ha escuchado florecerá.
1:10:28When the person hears the chanting of the holy name, maybe in that moment it doesn't make any nothing, but when the times go, this is expand. Yes, yes, let's say, you're doing kirtan, in, for example, Madrid, when we go to Madrid, I think on Sunday, we'll go to the market in the center of Madrid, many people are there, thousands of people will hear the name, and when this vibration goes in the ear, then it neutralizes the power of all their karmas, just like every person, their choices and their movements are dictated from the subconscious,
1:11:16conscious mind. And the subconscious mind is in collection of many samskaras, impressions of past life activities. So the choices, the thoughts, the things that we're doing now are like echoes of our past activities. This is how karma works. Now, when a person hears the holy name, even though all their samskaras, impressions in the subconscious mind are still there, but the substance within them has been removed. So they appear to act the same, they appear to feel the same, but these impressions cannot have the same effect on them.
1:11:53The example given in the Vedas is, if you have a rope, let's say a rope is in a coil, so you pour some ghee or some petrol, gasoline on there and light it with a match, it goes up in flames, when the flames die down, you'll see the rope is still there but it's black, you see the shape of the rope but it's completely black, and if you touch it, it collapses into ash, you cannot tie anyone or anything with that rope anymore, but it looks the same, until you touch it. So in the same way, when anyone, at this festival, so many hundreds of people, the mantra went into their ear, and they're going on with their life, they feel that they are the same person, but at the end of their life, when they come to die, then that karma is supposed to carry them to the next life, but their karma is now like ash, and they will be liberated, they will be liberated. So it's the greatest benefit you can give to someone, to make them hear the holy name.
1:12:58Is there the effect on them only hearing from pure devotees or even like if I always chant at all my family they hear me affect on them? It is there from pure devotee and is there if a pure devotee tell someone go and chant because some power comes through that process. So if you're not perfect, no, no, just go and do kirtan. If your guru has told you.
1:13:22I remember once we were in, let me see, it was, it was Verbania, in Italy, you know, Laga Maggiore is in the north of Italy, it's very big like Laga Maggiore, and on the shore of Laga Maggiore, there's a very beautiful, small, medieval town called Verbania, so one year my guru came there, and that year his house was not so good, so he didn't visit many places in Europe, it was one festival for the whole of Europe, So devotees came from everywhere, there was about a thousand devotees, and my Gurudev told, all of you now, with your instruments, you should go out into the city of the town of Rabanya and do kirtan everywhere.
1:14:08So at that time, there was a devotee, she's a very famous artist, named the Shamarani. So she said, if I go and chant there, then my chanting is not pure, so what effect will it have on the people? Then my gurudev said, I told you to go, so my power will be in that chantilly, when you follow my instruction It was a very amazing kirtan It was, you were there, right?
1:14:34And it was, really, something very special So many, and everyone was taking turns, and people were looking from the balconies, and they were waving And when the kirtan came back from the town and began to go up the hill to the center where the first tour was, Gurudev came out on his balcony in the distance and was waving, we also It was incredible potency in that kirtan, we all can never forget. Was anyone else there? Yes. You were there also, Vrindavan.
1:15:16So I hope everyone is satisfied with our visit to Barcelona. I am very satisfied. That I met with new friends, and also with old friends I had not seen for a long time, and I am very satisfied with our caretimes and our classes, I pray that our Guru Prampora, that they are pleased with the service that you have all done, and I have tried to do, and they will bless us, and now, today and tomorrow, we are relocated to the University of Mysticism of St. Teresa of Avila, have you been to Avila?
1:16:09it's really special spiritual place because anyone full persons from around the world who are interested in Christian meditation Christian mysticism they go and they study at this university there so it's a very very wonderful place now it's to you so don't forget do or do you have my card and let me give you my card his name and his email okay send it to me yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes
